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Re: st: Re: Difficulty with posting and replying
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Hi Martin, Eric, Michael, & Maarten,
Thank you all for your time and help with my difficulties posting to
the listserv. I used your suggestions and contacted mac support for
additional information. My solution involved the following:
1. Set font to Monaco: fixed-width.
2. Message format has been plain text.
3. I have had no signatures: desktop or mobile me account.
4. Set text encoding for each message to utf-8.
5. Include symbols the first two lines to avoid cut messages.
I hope I have fixed the issue: at least generally.
Best,
Frank
On May 2, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Eric A. Booth wrote:
The spirit is right but the letter is wrong. (The appearance of " "
might lead many to expect an exact quotation.)
FAQ 2.2 (http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/statalist.html#toask)
says precisely
"Majordomo sometimes misreads posts and in particular can chop the
first
line."
Nick
On May 2, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Michael Hanson wrote:
1. Stick some garbage characters at the top of your messages.
Martin uses "<>" (that is, "less than sign" then "greater than
sign"); after some experimenting (years ago), I have settled on
typing a space, a period, a tab, and two returns before I start the
text of my messages (including replies). (Note that the FAQ states
that "Majordomo sometimes misreads posts and in particular can chop
the first line", while my experience has been that it takes my first
2 lines _every_ time for messages from my .Mac account. YMMV.)
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I am also using Mac 10.5 & Apple Mail.app with nearly identical
settings to the ones Michael describes.....
Statalist always chops my first 2 lines as well (but Nick's right,
Statalist FAQ does say 'the first line', maybe this should be updated
if this is happening to all Mac users?). I've sent a posting from the
mail utility in Mac's terminal (BSD command from bash shell) (can also
be done using the -mail- command in Stata for Mac) and it still chops
my first two lines.
However, as long as I remember to send the email as plain text, I've
never had an email fail to show up on Statalist.
Eric
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Eric A. Booth
Public Policy Research Institute
Texas A&M University
[email protected]
Office: +979.845.6754
Fax: +979.845.0249
On May 2, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Martin Weiss wrote:
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"> Martin uses the <> at the top of his messages because Stata
FAQ 2.2
(see: http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/
statalist.html#before ) states that the list server can sometimes
"chop the first few lines" "
True, I used to put a sentence there, but the "<>" is much less
intrusive. I do not recall the last incident where it was needed,
though...
HTH
Martin
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric A. Booth" <[email protected]
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: st: Re: Difficulty with posting and replying
Frank:
Martin uses the <> at the top of his messages because Stata FAQ
2.2 (see: http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/statalist.html#before
) states that the list server can sometimes "chop the first few
lines" of an email/posting. So, his <> symbol will be cut if
any of the server does remove the first line(s).
You've probably tried this, but if the email program you are
using (which according to your X-MAILER properties in your
message is Apple Mail (mail.app) 2.9) is attaching a signature
to your outgoing mail, this signature is html format. So, while
you may be converting you message to 'plain-text' before sending
it on the mac (by highlighting you message and pressing Shift
+Command+T), your signature injects new html code into your
message as it leaves your computer.
(Remember that mail.app can be synching your signatures with your
mobile me account in the background (see Mail Menu>Preferences>
General Tab> Mobile Me... ) )
If this is not your problem, then there may be bigger issues:
1. what kind of text encoding are you using (see Message Menu>Text
Encoding)? You might try switching to utf-8 (which would get you
to 8- Bit encoding), right now your messages use are using mac's
automatic encoding (text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;
delsp=yes) & your content-encoding scheme is 7-bit. Your
outgoing server (smtp.mac.com) provides a content transfer method
for encoding the message (e.g., 7-bit, 8-bit, and binary
methods), when SMTP transmits data in 7-bit MIME defines how 8-
bit data can be encoded in 7-bit byte stream for transmission in
SMTP. So, there may be something going on with your outgoing
server @mac.com that could be resolved by using a 8-bit encoding,
like utf-8.
2. It is likely that the mac.com SMTP server may be your own
worst enemy.
There are lots of reports of mobile me (mac.com) periodically
dumping messages from certain ISP's (especially after they've been
tagged as having some user sending out a lot of spam). I notice
that your IP address and your outgoing smtp relay (e.g.,
asmtp011.mac.com, asmtp022.mac.com) have changed over the course
of your email messages to Statalist from April 24 to today. Are
you noticing any patterns of your Statalist postings being 'lost'
when sending just from work or home, etc? See this link for an
interesting example of similar messages being 'lost' and someways
to test this using Terminal and telnet( http://the.taoofmac.com/space/blog/2008/03/09/1100
).
If you go to the Mail Menu > Preferences > Viewing Pref. Tab and
choose "Show Header Detail = All" and then check the full headers
of your messages that made it through to Statalist versus the
ones that did not, that might help you diagnose the differences
among these messages. If you want to send me the output of the
headers on your unsuccessful headers, I can take a look & compare
them to your recent 'successful' postings.
Good luck.
Eric
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Eric A. Booth
Public Policy Research Institute
Texas A&M University
[email protected]
Office: +979.845.6754
Fax: +979.845.0249
On May 2, 2009, at 7:53 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Hi Martin,
I was thinking maybe my dilemma involves copying and pasting
text (e.g., syntax). So I replied to your last message, pasted
some text from a message that I have been trying to post, and
sent it. The message did not post. So if this message gets
posted, it may be the copy and paste mechanism causing me
difficulties. We will see.
Best,
Frank
On May 2, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Martin Weiss wrote:
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Nick`s advice http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/lwgate/STATALIST/archives/statalist.0904/Author/article-593.html
still applies, although I am aware how frustrating it can be
sometimes. Plain text-ing from the adress subscribed on
Statalist normally guarantees success...
HTH
Martin
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----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 1:51 PM
Subject: st: Difficulty with posting and replying
Hi All,
I am having difficulty posting and replying to posts: "It is a
hit or miss adventure." I format my posts and replies in plain
text. I am using a mac (Leopard OS). I hope this message posts.
Does anyone have suggestions? Thank you.
Best,
Frank
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