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Re: st: Re: Difficulty with posting and replying
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I am glad you made it :-) Hope to see you frequently now that the barrier to
entry has been torn down :-)
BTW, under Windows Mail, all it takes is to switch the format permanently to
text only, and off you go. So much for the argument that Macs are oh so easy
to operate...
HTH
Martin
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----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: st: Re: Difficulty with posting and replying
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Hi Martin, Eric, Michael, & Maarten,
Thank you all for your time and help with my difficulties posting to the
listserv. I used your suggestions and contacted mac support for
additional information. My solution involved the following:
1. Set font to Monaco: fixed-width.
2. Message format has been plain text.
3. I have had no signatures: desktop or mobile me account.
4. Set text encoding for each message to utf-8.
5. Include symbols the first two lines to avoid cut messages.
I hope I have fixed the issue: at least generally.
Best,
Frank
On May 2, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Eric A. Booth wrote:
The spirit is right but the letter is wrong. (The appearance of " "
might lead many to expect an exact quotation.)
FAQ 2.2 (http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/statalist.html#toask)
says precisely
"Majordomo sometimes misreads posts and in particular can chop the first
line."
Nick
On May 2, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Michael Hanson wrote:
1. Stick some garbage characters at the top of your messages. Martin
uses "<>" (that is, "less than sign" then "greater than sign"); after
some experimenting (years ago), I have settled on typing a space, a
period, a tab, and two returns before I start the text of my messages
(including replies). (Note that the FAQ states that "Majordomo
sometimes misreads posts and in particular can chop the first line",
while my experience has been that it takes my first 2 lines _every_ time
for messages from my .Mac account. YMMV.)
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I am also using Mac 10.5 & Apple Mail.app with nearly identical settings
to the ones Michael describes.....
Statalist always chops my first 2 lines as well (but Nick's right,
Statalist FAQ does say 'the first line', maybe this should be updated if
this is happening to all Mac users?). I've sent a posting from the mail
utility in Mac's terminal (BSD command from bash shell) (can also be done
using the -mail- command in Stata for Mac) and it still chops my first
two lines.
However, as long as I remember to send the email as plain text, I've
never had an email fail to show up on Statalist.
Eric
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Eric A. Booth
Public Policy Research Institute
Texas A&M University
[email protected]
Office: +979.845.6754
Fax: +979.845.0249
On May 2, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Martin Weiss wrote:
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"> Martin uses the <> at the top of his messages because Stata FAQ
2.2
(see: http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/ statalist.html#before )
states that the list server can sometimes "chop the first few lines" "
True, I used to put a sentence there, but the "<>" is much less
intrusive. I do not recall the last incident where it was needed,
though...
HTH
Martin
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric A. Booth" <[email protected]
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: st: Re: Difficulty with posting and replying
Frank:
Martin uses the <> at the top of his messages because Stata FAQ 2.2
(see: http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/statalist.html#before )
states that the list server can sometimes "chop the first few lines"
of an email/posting. So, his <> symbol will be cut if any of the
server does remove the first line(s).
You've probably tried this, but if the email program you are using
(which according to your X-MAILER properties in your message is Apple
Mail (mail.app) 2.9) is attaching a signature to your outgoing mail,
this signature is html format. So, while you may be converting you
message to 'plain-text' before sending it on the mac (by highlighting
you message and pressing Shift +Command+T), your signature injects new
html code into your message as it leaves your computer.
(Remember that mail.app can be synching your signatures with your
mobile me account in the background (see Mail Menu>Preferences>
General Tab> Mobile Me... ) )
If this is not your problem, then there may be bigger issues:
1. what kind of text encoding are you using (see Message Menu>Text
Encoding)? You might try switching to utf-8 (which would get you to
8- Bit encoding), right now your messages use are using mac's
automatic encoding (text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;
delsp=yes) & your content-encoding scheme is 7-bit. Your outgoing
server (smtp.mac.com) provides a content transfer method for encoding
the message (e.g., 7-bit, 8-bit, and binary methods), when SMTP
transmits data in 7-bit MIME defines how 8- bit data can be encoded in
7-bit byte stream for transmission in SMTP. So, there may be
something going on with your outgoing server @mac.com that could be
resolved by using a 8-bit encoding, like utf-8.
2. It is likely that the mac.com SMTP server may be your own worst
enemy.
There are lots of reports of mobile me (mac.com) periodically dumping
messages from certain ISP's (especially after they've been tagged as
having some user sending out a lot of spam). I notice that your IP
address and your outgoing smtp relay (e.g., asmtp011.mac.com,
asmtp022.mac.com) have changed over the course of your email messages
to Statalist from April 24 to today. Are you noticing any patterns of
your Statalist postings being 'lost' when sending just from work or
home, etc? See this link for an interesting example of similar
messages being 'lost' and someways to test this using Terminal and
telnet( http://the.taoofmac.com/space/blog/2008/03/09/1100 ).
If you go to the Mail Menu > Preferences > Viewing Pref. Tab and
choose "Show Header Detail = All" and then check the full headers of
your messages that made it through to Statalist versus the ones that
did not, that might help you diagnose the differences among these
messages. If you want to send me the output of the headers on your
unsuccessful headers, I can take a look & compare them to your recent
'successful' postings.
Good luck.
Eric
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Eric A. Booth
Public Policy Research Institute
Texas A&M University
[email protected]
Office: +979.845.6754
Fax: +979.845.0249
On May 2, 2009, at 7:53 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Hi Martin,
I was thinking maybe my dilemma involves copying and pasting text
(e.g., syntax). So I replied to your last message, pasted some text
from a message that I have been trying to post, and sent it. The
message did not post. So if this message gets posted, it may be the
copy and paste mechanism causing me difficulties. We will see.
Best,
Frank
On May 2, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Martin Weiss wrote:
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Nick`s advice
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/lwgate/STATALIST/archives/statalist.0904/Author/article-593.html
still applies, although I am aware how frustrating it can be
sometimes. Plain text-ing from the adress subscribed on Statalist
normally guarantees success...
HTH
Martin
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----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 1:51 PM
Subject: st: Difficulty with posting and replying
Hi All,
I am having difficulty posting and replying to posts: "It is a hit
or miss adventure." I format my posts and replies in plain text. I
am using a mac (Leopard OS). I hope this message posts. Does anyone
have suggestions? Thank you.
Best,
Frank
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