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From |
Nick Cox <njcoxstata@gmail.com> |

To |
statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu |

Subject |
Re: st: create pretty charts |

Date |
Fri, 7 Sep 2012 11:08:04 +0100 |

On the bottom panel, the dates run (equally spaced) 2/1/08 4/1/08 6/1/08 8/1/08 10/1/08 12/1/08 2/1/09 4/1/09 Anyone else puzzled by this? On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Nick Cox <njcoxstata@gmail.com> wrote: > That's a good exercise for students, to say what is wrong with those > displays. I refer to > <http://www.tableausoftware.com/learn/gallery/product-survey-analysis> > > 1. State identifiers running alphabetically from CA to WA; that's helpful. > > 2. Heavy use of red and green for contrasts: haven't Tableau heard > that distinguishing red from green is a common difficulty among > sighted people? > > 3. The projections into the future of interest levels seem to be based > on fitting quadratics. Interest levels going negative will presumably > underline emphatically what is dropping off sales-wise. Discuss. > > 4. The moving averages seem unsuited to the data, or vice versa. > > Still, I must try to be constructive and positive. No doubt Tableau > nowhere insists on those choices. > > I (and other user-programmers interested in graphics) would really > like to be told about new good kinds of graphs that I can program in > Stata (and make the code available). > > Otherwise, if there is a wishlist I suspect only StataCorp can deliver. > > I guess that Maarten has put his finger on a major point. Graphs that > you can interact with are clearly of interest and -- if they were in > Stata -- many of us would be as happy as a three-year-old to play at > producing and to play with them. But when the play is done, it seems > that almost all researchers using Stata want mostly static graphs for > their theses, dissertations, reports, papers, books and presentations. > A dozen programmer-years developing in the direction of interactive > graphics (wild guess) is a dozen programmer-years not developing new > models, and model-handling facilities, which is what people directly > and indirectly ask for on Statalist week in, week out. > > Nick > > On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Maarten Buis <maartenlbuis@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Nick Cox wrote: >>> Pablo and Miguel (and anybody else) would be doing a useful service if >>> they could specify exactly what in Tableau is really good and also >>> exceeds what they can do in Stata. That would give programmers if not >>> an agenda, then a cogitanda. >> >> I googled it, and it seems like a piece of software that allows you to >> program an interactive graph. Some of the example graphs do look >> pretty, but designing such infographics is best left to professionals. >> It reminds me a bit of the time that inkjet printers became available, >> so "normal" people could now freely choose and print any type of font. >> The result was a mass of horrible and completely unreadable documents >> with 16 or more different fonts. >> >> Even the example graphs provided by the company that makes the piece >> of software, which should showcase the best use of the software are >> not convincing: Most of them are pretty but make the content harder to >> read than necessary, some of them are downright misleading (worst >> example is: <http://www.tableausoftware.com/learn/gallery/product-survey-analysis>), >> and only few are useful (I like a set of linked graphs, such that when >> you select a subset in one graph that same subset is also highlighted >> in the other graphs. I think that is a nice way to get a feel for >> multidimensional problems.). >> >> So, my impression is that unless you want to start a four year study >> in graphical design, you'd best leave software like that alone (and if >> you do finish such a study you'll probably have learned that there is >> better software for designing such infographics). * * For searches and help try: * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/

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