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RE: st: Gentle resister
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"Schaffer, Mark E" <[email protected]>
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"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
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RE: st: Gentle resister
Date
Tue, 15 Apr 2014 16:37:12 +0000
Hmm... that's a big difference. Sometimes threads become interesting when major contributors weigh in. Under Old Statalist, I would know when that happened; under the RSS setup, I wouldn't. :o(
--Mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:owner-
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Cohen, Elan
> Sent: 15 April 2014 14:06
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: st: Gentle resister
>
> John,
>
> See the following post by Phil Schumm a couple of weeks back. I've set up RSS
> with Outlook Express and get "emails" about posts the same way I did with the
> old Statalist. The only difference is that you only get a message when a thread
> starts and not for all posts.
>
> http://www.stata.com/statalist/archive/2014-03/msg01306.html
>
> - Elan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:owner-
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of John Antonakis
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:31
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: st: Gentle resister
>
> Great post, Sam. Like you and everyone else, we appreciate work that has
> gone to all this. Personally, I much prefer to the listserv e-mail format.
>
> Silly question--I have not figured this out yet--is there a way to get
> the forum to send us an e-mail when a posting is made? Then some of the
> diehards can still have their e-mail format--and then still go on the
> forum when interested in the discussion.
>
> Best,
> J.
>
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> On 15.04.2014 00:54, Lucas wrote:
> > I appreciate all the hard work you have done, Marcello, and I
> > appreciate all the hard work of everyone involved in the list,
> > including the hard hardware work of Bill Mahoney. People like Bill
> > are often the unsung heroes and heroines of all the analyses analysts
> > conduct and present. And, I appreciate that change is inevitable.
> >
> > That said, I will sound a, hmm, how to put it--a less than celebratory
> > note about the new forum format.
> >
> > I just registered, and perhaps it will grow on me. I think it
> > probably will not. I find it a bit . . . incongruous.
> >
> > On the one hand, massive computer storage capability and amazingly
> > advanced search capability together render "organizing" material
> > completely unnecessary--at least, the poor organization humans do.
> > Google is one of the most, if not THE most successful companies on the
> > planet. And their core product, the door through which 90 percent of
> > their customers originally entered, is a simple square box in which
> > one can type anything a keyboard allows and some things a keyboard
> > does not (e.g., images), and the magic of google will bring--without
> > ANY human categorization effort--relevant material to one's screen.
> >
> > This is how the retiring statalist worked, especially the archives--no
> > one needed to categorize anything. The text itself was the source for
> > search engines.
> >
> > Now, with the "advance" of the forum, instead of mining the steadily
> > growing stockpile of information, people are supposed to "tag" their
> > posts and, more important, place them in the appropriate collection:
> > 1)general, 2)mata, 3)how the forum works, and 4)sandpile, er, uh, I
> > mean box. Why? We can see the problems with this approach already.
> >
> > First, there have *already* been mis-classifications, which would seem
> > to increase the work for someone (or, eventually, it will be very
> > tough to find the relevant material). It is unclear whether and how
> > such misclassifications will be corrected.
> >
> > Second, many postings combine material--this is the way of work, and
> > human thought, and cannot be easily eradicated (without prohibitive
> > costs in intelligibility, if it is even possible).
> >
> > Third, navigability has already been questioned. The solution is for
> > forum users to set up stuff on their browser. Again, why? Just to get
> > the functionality old statalist had for someone arriving the very
> > first time? This is progress?
> >
> > Again, I completely understand the need to retire equipment, and thank
> > those who managed aging equipment as long as they did. I am truly
> > grateful.
> >
> > I just wonder--why do we reinvent the wheel and call it progress,
> > when, instead of a 360-degree round rolling object we now have a
> > kludgy object that has two straight sides attached to one long curve.
> > It does not roll. It does not rest. It does not work as well as what
> > we had before. Why don't we just move the wheel that works to a new
> > platform?
> >
> > Anyway, maybe experience will help me see and feel this as an advance.
> > But, judging from many other "advances," I can say--it is quite
> > possible that most will experience a loss of functionality, and, while
> > they may accept it (because they appreciate the hard work of those who
> > run it day-in and day-out, and there is no clear alternative), it will
> > reduce the utility of the resource for them.
> >
> > Respectfully
> > Sam
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