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Re: st: Count by group and tabulate

From   Nick Cox <>
To   "" <>
Subject   Re: st: Count by group and tabulate
Date   Thu, 5 Dec 2013 11:04:58 +0000

I appreciate you are trying to help. I've been a member of Statalist
for a while too, and I try to help too, although often developing
people's understanding or helping them to help themselves can be as
useful as specific replies.

That's a puzzling statement too in your latest:

"I have never seen a table published in a peer reviewed journal that
was generated by Stata.  If there is one please let me know"

To start locally, it's a fair bet that most tables in the Stata
Journal were generated by Stata. It's a fair bet that most went
through some flavo[u]r of Tex or LaTeX or a word processor such as MS
Word on the way. Much of the point is quite what "generated" means for
you, and you didn't define your sense. If you mean that most tables in
Stata are not produced so that they automatically, instantly and
completely match quite what style is used or expected by any
particular journal, then that's correct, but that's a tough call for
any statistical environment.

It is interesting what users want. A while back at some users' meeting
William Gould said in a wishes and grumbles session something like

Well, you wouldn't expect Stata to provide everything you expect to do
in your word processor or text processor, would you?

to which there were several shouts along the lines of

Yes. Yes. Please do it!

Any way, I don't think most tables come with tags saying "generated by
such-and-such software". In fact, many reviewers and editors would
regard that as irrelevant or  immaterial.

More generally, the purpose of Statalist is discussion. Challenging
statements that are incorrect or confusing or incomplete is fair play,
mine too naturally.

On 5 December 2013 10:26, Christina Wei <> wrote:
> Nick, I guess I questioned that because I was under the assumption
> that he was interested in producing a Forest Plot for his manuscript.
> Though I appreciate the beautiful graphs and figures and tables that
> Stata can make.... I have never seen a table published in a peer
> reviewed journal that was generated by Stata.  If there is one please
> let me know.
> If he was indeed looking to produce a forest plot table, then using
> Stata to make forest plot table can get a bit tricky.  I was just
> trying ascertain what type of table he was looking to create.
> Not trying to start an internet message war.  I am just trying to help.
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Nick Cox <> wrote:
>> <>
>> Azreen's personal circumstances and attitudes aside, reluctance to use
>> Excel can easily be explained for many Stata users.
>> 1. It may not be installed (especially common for Mac and Unix/Linux users).
>> 2.  The dataset may not fit in Excel.
>> 3. #1 and #2 don't bite but you prefer not to do that.
>> 3.1 You prefer to work with one program where possible.
>> 3.2 You have zero or minimal Excel skills, but prefer to use or extend
>> your Stata expertise. (Many Stata users developed experience with
>> Stata for several years before Excel even appeared.)
>> 3.3 You distrust Excel as an environment for data management and analysis.
>> I could go on, but the point is that this puzzle may be no puzzle at all.
>> Nick
>> On 5 December 2013 04:56, Christina Wei <> wrote:
>>> Hi Azreen, I am not sure why you would want to create a table using
>>> Stata (especially for a publication) when you could create one in
>>> Excel (no pun intended Stata!).
>>> If I remember your post from earlier, you are doing meta-analysis,
>>> correct?  If the table you are referring to is a forest plot table
>>> then I'd be happy to help you with that.  You can actually create
>>> forest plot in Excel too... in case if you are interested.
>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Azreen Karim <> wrote:
>>>> I want to count number of observations by paper
>>>> identification and then produce them in a table as in published
>>>> article. Could you please let me know how to do this in Stata 12?
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