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Re: st: Using ivregress when the endogenous variable is used in an interaction term in the main regression

From   Christine Scheef <>
Subject   Re: st: Using ivregress when the endogenous variable is used in an interaction term in the main regression
Date   Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:19:36 +0100


I am following your discussion since I am working on a similar problem at 
the moment. However, my endogenous variable in the interaction is binary. 
I have 3 questions:
- Since the endogenous variable is binary, is it right to use logit 
instead of regress in the first stage?
- I also want to calculate a 3-way interaction with 2 continuous exogenous 
variables and the endogenous binary variable. Can I form the interactions 
of X2hat with X1 and X3, that is X2hat* X1* X2?
- When calculating the thrid step with ivregress - Do I still need to 
check for the exogeneity of the instrument variables X2hat and X2hat*X1? 

I very much appreciate your help.



I don't have a specific reference in mind, but I suppose you should be
able to construct a workable explanation from Prof. Wooldridge's reply
(indeed, you can probably directly cite it) and some directed


On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Nick Kohn <> 
> My apologies for spamming but I also wanted to mention that I'm trying
> out the specification that includes the endogenous variables as stand
> alone terms.
> I'm not sure whether I'll use it in my paper though because I'll need
> to provide a justification of why I deviate from the paper I cite, and
> going into long winded econometric arguments is beyond the scope of
> what I'm doing.
> Is there a paper or book I can cite that explains why adding the
> levels is appropriate?
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Nick Kohn <> 
>> Sorry for the confusion - X1 is included as a stand alone term.
>> To be more detailed, my model looks like this (X is exogenous, E is 
>> dY = X1 + X2
>>     + X1*X3
>>     + X1*X3*E1
>>     + X1*X3*E2
>>     + X1*X3*E3
>>     + controls
>> X3 is an indicator variable that is equal to 1 when X1 <= 0
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Austin Nichols 
<> wrote:
>>> Tirthankar Chakravarty <>:
>>> I don't see anywhere that the X1 is included as a main effect as
>>> opposed to just being included in the product X1*X2.  (Though it is
>>> not clear what is included in "+controls" in the post.) It seems that
>>> X1 is exogenous by assumption, i.e. X1 is uncorrelated with e while X2
>>> is correlated with e. There are no quadratic terms in Z in my
>>> suggestion. Note that you suggested instrumenting with X2hat*X1 and
>>> X2hat is linear in Z.
>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Tirthankar Chakravarty
>>> <> wrote:
>>>> " It does not seem too much of a stretch to assume Z*X1
>>>> uncorrelated with e as well (which implies X2hat*X1 uncorrelated with
>>>> e)"
>>>> This part is the problem. When you form cross-products of the
>>>> instrument matrix, you will end up with quadratic terms in Z, coming
>>>> from terms like the one you mention, which will need to be
>>>> uncorrelated with the structural errors, hence the independence
>>>> requirement.
>>>> Again, note that X1 is included so there is no overidentification 
>>>> at best, the same degree of overidentification as without the
>>>> interaction term).
>>>> T
>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Austin Nichols 
<> wrote:
>>>>> Tirthankar Chakravarty <>:
>>>>> No conditional independence assumed, though of course an 
>>>>> assumption lets you form all kinds of transformations of Z to use as
>>>>> excluded instruments.
>>>>> We need Z, Z*X1, and X1 uncorrelated with e, but Z and e were 
>>>>> assumed uncorrelated and X1 is exogenous by assumption as well, in 
>>>>> original post.  It does not seem too much of a stretch to assume 
>>>>> uncorrelated with e as well (which implies X2hat*X1 uncorrelated 
>>>>> e), but if we use all 3 as instruments we will see evidence of any
>>>>> violations of assumptions in the overid test (assuming no weak
>>>>> instruments problem).
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Tirthankar Chakravarty
>>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>>> Austin,
>>>>>> I agree re: well-cited papers.
>>>>>> Note that the efficiency you mention comes at a cost. As I pointed 
>>>>>> in my previous Statalist reply:
>>>>>> the instrumenting strategy you suggest requires the instruments to 
>>>>>> conditionally independent rather than just uncorrelated with the
>>>>>> structural errors.
>>>>>> T
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Austin Nichols 
<> wrote:
>>>>>>> Nick Kohn <>:
>>>>>>> Or better, instrument for X1*X2 using Z, Z*X1, and X1.
>>>>>>> For maximal efficiency given your assumptions you may prefer
>>>>>>> to instrument for X1*X2 using Z*X1, or even
>>>>>>> to instrument for X1*X2 using X2hat*X1,
>>>>>>> but you should build in an overid test whenever feasible.
>>>>>>> Just because a well-cited paper does something wrong does not mean 
>>>>>>> have to, though.
>>>>>>> Including the main effects of X1 and X2 makes for harder 
interpretation, but
>>>>>>> will make you a lot more confident of your answers once you have 
worked out the
>>>>>>> interpretation.
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Tirthankar Chakravarty
>>>>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In that case, none of this is necessary. Just instrument for 
>>>>>>>> using Z. All standard results apply.
>>>>>>>> T
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Nick Kohn 
<> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hmmm I see what you mean, but I'm following the methodology of a 
>>>>>>>>> cited paper that does the same thing.
>>>>>>>>> I'll be sure to discuss this limitation, but in terms of using 
>>>>>>>>> model, would the 3 steps in my last message be correct?
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Tirthankar Chakravarty
>>>>>>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to indirectly confirm that you did have the main 
effect in
>>>>>>>>>> the regression because even though I don't know the nature of 
>>>>>>>>>> study, a hard-to-defend methodological position arises when you
>>>>>>>>>> include interaction terms without including the main effect. 
You might
>>>>>>>>>> want to take that on the authority of someone who (literally) 
>>>>>>>>>> the book on the subject:
>>>>>>>>>> and reconsider your decision to not include the main effect.
>>>>>>>>>> T
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Nick Kohn 
<> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> My model doesn't have X2 as a separate term, so in terms of 
the model
>>>>>>>>>>> you had it looks like:
>>>>>>>>>>>  Y = b*X1*X2 + controls
>>>>>>>>>>> So the only place the endogenous variable comes up is the 
interaction term
>>>>>>>>>>> At the risk of being repetitive, would these be the correct 
steps (so
>>>>>>>>>>> essentially only step 3 changes from what you said):
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) regress X2 on all instruments, exogenous variables and 
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Form interactions of X2hat with the exogenous variable X1, 
that is, X2hat*X1
>>>>>>>>>>> 3) ivregress instrumenting for X2*X1 using X2hat*X1.
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Tirthankar Chakravarty
>>>>>>>>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not quite; here is the recommended procedure (I am assuming 
that you
>>>>>>>>>>>> have the main effect of the endogenous variable in there as 
in Y =
>>>>>>>>>>>> a*X2 + b*X1*X2 + controls):
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) -regress- X2 on _all_ instruments (included exogenous 
controls and
>>>>>>>>>>>> excluded instruments) and get predictions X2hat.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Form interactions of X2hat with the exogenous variable X1, 
that is, X2hat*X1.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) -ivregress- instrumenting for X2 and X2*X1 using X2hat and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that there is distinction between two calls to -regress- 
>>>>>>>>>>>> using -ivregress- for 3).
>>>>>>>>>>>> T
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:43 AM, Nick Kohn 
<> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My simplified model is (X2 is endogenous):
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y = b*X1*X2 + controls
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regards to the third option you suggest, would I do the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  1) First stage regression to get X2hat using the instrument 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  2) Run the first stage again but use X1*X2hat as the 
instrument for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> X1*X2 (so Z is no longer used)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  3) Run the second stage using (X1*X2)hat (so the whole 
product is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitted from step 2))
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Tirthankar Chakravarty
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see my previous reply to a similar question here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:24 AM, Nick Kohn 
<> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a specification in which the endogenous variable is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an exogenous variable. Since I cannot multiply the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directly in the regression, I create a new variable. In 
ivregress it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes no sense to use the entire interaction term as the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> variable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can do the first stage manually (and then use the fitted 
value in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the main regression), however, from what I remember the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> errors will be wrong when doing it manually.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a way to overcome this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks

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