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# Re: st: Odds ratio

 From Maarten buis To statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu Subject Re: st: Odds ratio Date Fri, 9 Apr 2010 07:14:40 +0000 (GMT)

```--- On Fri, 9/4/10, Rosie Chen wrote:
> I am doing HLM analysis, so it is impossible to use the Stata
> syntaxt to calculate the predicted probability. So I will
> just do the calculation by myself in excel. Here is what I
> plan to do: I will calculate  log-odds and then convert
> them into predicted probabilities for individuals with
> characteristics that I am interested in so as to demonstrate
> the magnitude of the effect for a specific variable.

Sorry for being blunt but that is a very bad idea. There are
very good reasons why Stata isn't giving you those probabilities
directly: These multilevel models take into account group level
variation, while your approach doesn't.

> For example, in order to explain the gender difference in the
> probability of an outcome, I will compute the difference in
> the predicted probability between females and males

I am not so negative about odds ratios as others are: Odds ratios
and risk differences answer subtly different questions. An effect
is a comparison of groups, in your case men and women. That
comparison can be made in absolute terms (i.e. compute a difference)
or in relative terms (i.e. compute a ratio). Both have their
advantages and disadvantages. A discussion of that is given in
this paper (if I am allowed some shameless self-promotion):
<http://www.maartenbuis.nl/wp/interactions.html>.

The key issue with odds ratios is that I would like to have the
baseline odds present, to help me interpret the odds ratio (which
in a sense helps to bridge the gap between absolute and relative
effects). The problem is that by default Stata suppresses those.
The trick is to add a variable baseline, which is always one, and
add the -noconstant- option. This trick is discussed in the paper
I refered to before, and I learned it from: Roger Newson (2003),
Stata tip 1: The eform() option of regress. The Stata Journal,
3(4): 445. <http://www.stata-journal.com/article.html?article=st0054>

I am slowely getting used to odds, so the distinction between odds
and probabilities doesn't bother me any more: You can quantify the
likelihood of an event by computing the expected number of success
per 100 trials (100*probability) or by the expected number of
success per failure (the odds). Just don't mix the two up, as
sometimes happens when people try to interpret odds ratios as risk
ratios.

Hope this helps,
Maarten

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Institut fuer Soziologie
Universitaet Tuebingen
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72074 Tuebingen
Germany

http://www.maartenbuis.nl
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