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"Lachenbruch, Peter" <Peter.Lachenbruch@oregonstate.edu> |

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RE: st: RE: Change roman to Arabic numerals |

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Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:03:08 -0800 |

With the hex material this should have occurred on Oct 31 Tony Peter A. Lachenbruch Department of Public Health Oregon State University Corvallis, OR 97330 Phone: 541-737-3832 FAX: 541-737-4001 -----Original Message----- From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Michael N. Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 3:53 PM To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu Subject: Re: st: RE: Change roman to Arabic numerals This reminds me of a practical joke we played on a mainframe programmer who *loved* to read Hex dumps. We got some greenbar paper and wrote a program that generated something that looked exactly like a Hex dump, but instead filled it all in with Roman numbers. It looked exactly right, except that instead of "A6", it would say "XIVI". We printed it and stood near him puzzling over it. He grabbed it from us and said "Let the expert handle this...". He was befuddled and shook his head for a bit and then the light bulb went on and he threw it back at us, giving some choice exclamations about our youth and parental heritage. Michael N. Mitchell Data Management Using Stata - http://www.stata.com/bookstore/dmus.html A Visual Guide to Stata Graphics - http://www.stata.com/bookstore/vgsg.html Stata tidbit of the week - http://www.MichaelNormanMitchell.com On 2010-12-21 2.43 PM, Kieran McCaul wrote: > ... > > I suppose this means that while we have Stata for Windows, Stata for Unix, and Stata for the Mac, we may never have Stata for Romans. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Nick Cox > Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2010 7:18 PM > To: 'statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu' > Subject: RE: st: RE: Change roman to Arabic numerals > > Sergiy is commenting on the code I posted last Friday and not the expanded code I posted on Monday. But his main points remain correct. > > My code indulges many numerals that might be considered improper. It doesn't have much error checking. This raises a practical question of whether that matters to any particular user and a question of principle of whether it's worth adding a constraint on improper numerals, e.g. by some kind of regular expression definition. > > My interest was piqued by this problem because it seemed an amusing little programming problem. > > However, my interest peaked when I ran into the kind of fuzziness that Sergiy also encountered, e.g. would IL be allowed as 49? Once you find that authorities disagree, or do not provide rigorous definitions, there is no longer an absolutely precise problem to be solved. > > When made public, my code and help file could serve as stepping-stones for anyone else who wanted to take the problem further. > > Nick > n.j.cox@durham.ac.uk > > Sergiy Radyakin > > Peter writes that his Colleague had to deal only with Roman numbers in > the range I-X. For that situation another code (one > line) can be suggested: > generate byte arabic = > strpos("=====I====II===III==IV===V====VI===VII==VIII=IX===X====","="+roman+"=")/5 > if !missing(roman) > Below is a demo. Obviously the code is not easily extended to the > larger ranges, or to include dual notation for 4: "IV" and "IIII". > > Nick's code is doing a great job of converting the numbers both small > and large, however it appears to be too robust, > converting even misspelled Roman numerals, such as: IM (999), or IL > (49). Both notations may occur in practice (depends > on the source of data). Wikipedia denotes them as "would not be > generally accepted". I think it would be great to modify the > code to either report them as erroneous (misspelled Roman numeral), or > convert based on the possible intuition of the > respondents (999 and 49 correspondingly), but not to incorrect values > (1001 and 51 correspondingly) as the current version > does. > Numbers like "IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII" are converted correctly, but > perhaps it's better to report an argument error in such a case. > > Similarly, not used, characters are currently not reported as errors > (e.g. "K" in "XK", although one could encounter "K" in > exotic medieval Roman numerals...). This wouldn't be a problem if the > program handled all symbols of the Roman numerals, > but e.g. "S" (half) is not handled (again see Wikipedia for reference). > > [...] > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Nick Cox<n.j.cox@durham.ac.uk> wrote: >> I think anyone tempted to write this would be best advised to extract the subtraction parts of the syntax first, i.e. CM etc. >> >> (Also, from what I recall IIII is sometimes allowed as a non-standard variant of IV.) >> >> Here is one stab. This is a Mata function that works on a string vector of Roman numerals in upper case. >> >> Example first: >> >> . mata >> >> : stuff = ("IV", "MCMIV") >> >> : roman_to_arabic(stuff) >> 1 2 >> +---------------+ >> 1 | 4 1904 | >> +---------------+ >> >> : roman_to_arabic(stuff') >> 1 >> +--------+ >> 1 | 4 | >> 2 | 1904 | >> +--------+ >> >> : end >> >> Code second: >> >> mata : >> >> real roman_to_arabic(string vector roman) { >> >> numeric vector ro >> string vector work >> ro = J(rows(roman), cols(roman), 0) >> work = roman >> >> ro = ro + 900 * (strpos(work, "CM") :> 0) >> work = subinstr(work, "CM", "", .) >> ro = ro + 400 * (strpos(work, "CD") :> 0) >> work = subinstr(work, "CD", "", .) >> ro = ro + 90 * (strpos(work, "XC") :> 0) >> work = subinstr(work, "XC", "", .) >> ro = ro + 40 * (strpos(work, "XL") :> 0) >> work = subinstr(work, "XL", "", .) >> ro = ro + 9 * (strpos(work, "IX") :> 0) >> work = subinstr(work, "IX", "", .) >> ro = ro + 4 * (strpos(work, "IV") :> 0) >> work = subinstr(work, "IV", "", .) >> >> while (sum(strpos(work, "M"))) { >> ro = ro + 1000 * (strpos(work, "M") :> 0) >> work = subinstr(work, "M", "", 1) >> } >> >> while (sum(strpos(work, "D"))) { >> ro = ro + 500 * (strpos(work, "D") :> 0) >> work = subinstr(work, "D", "", 1) >> } >> >> while (sum(strpos(work, "C"))) { >> ro = ro + 100 * (strpos(work, "C") :> 0) >> work = subinstr(work, "C", "", 1) >> } >> >> while (sum(strpos(work, "L"))) { >> ro = ro + 50 * (strpos(work, "L") :> 0) >> work = subinstr(work, "L", "", 1) >> } >> >> while (sum(strpos(work, "X"))) { >> ro = ro + 10 * (strpos(work, "X") :> 0) >> work = subinstr(work, "X", "", 1) >> } >> >> while (sum(strpos(work, "V"))) { >> ro = ro + 5 * (strpos(work, "V") :> 0) >> work = subinstr(work, "V", "", 1) >> } >> >> while (sum(strpos(work, "I"))) { >> ro = ro + (strpos(work, "I") :> 0) >> work = subinstr(work, "I", "", 1) >> } >> >> return(ro) >> } >> >> end > > Lachenbruch, Peter > >> A colleague wants to generate Arabic numbers from Roman numerals and I was = wondering if anyone has written a routine for this. She only has I to X so= I suggested Gen numb=(rom=="I")+2*(rom=="2")+3*(rom=="3")+4*(rom=="4"= >> ) etc. >> This is OK for this application, but not if we have many numbers. Of course the ordering gets messed up - I, II, III, IV, IX, V, VI, VII, VIII, X so= encode won't work and gen numb=3Dreal(rom) won't do either. > > > > * > * For searches and help try: > * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search > * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq > * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ > > * > * For searches and help try: > * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search > * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq > * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ * * For searches and help try: * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ * * For searches and help try: * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/

**References**:**st: Change roman to Arabic numerals***From:*"Lachenbruch, Peter" <Peter.Lachenbruch@oregonstate.edu>

**st: RE: Change roman to Arabic numerals***From:*Nick Cox <n.j.cox@durham.ac.uk>

**Re: st: RE: Change roman to Arabic numerals***From:*Sergiy Radyakin <serjradyakin@gmail.com>

**RE: st: RE: Change roman to Arabic numerals***From:*Nick Cox <n.j.cox@durham.ac.uk>

**RE: st: RE: Change roman to Arabic numerals***From:*"Kieran McCaul" <Kieran.McCaul@uwa.edu.au>

**Re: st: RE: Change roman to Arabic numerals***From:*"Michael N. Mitchell" <Michael.Norman.Mitchell@gmail.com>

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