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Re: st: Aren't distinct factors from factor analysis or PCA orthogonal to each other?


From   Robert A Yaffee <[email protected]>
To   [email protected]
Subject   Re: st: Aren't distinct factors from factor analysis or PCA orthogonal to each other?
Date   Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:30:11 -0400

Distinct factors can be determined more by a finding of simple structure from a rotation rather than by an orthogonal rotation
orthogonal rotation.  Distinct factors may be correlated with one another and may be ascertained through an oblique
rotation. 

Diana,
     It is possible to perform a kind of second-order or hierarchical factor analysis with state, providing you have
enough cases and variables to permit such a solution.
     If you prefer the type of hierarchical factor analysis that employs confirmatory factor analysis for the final model, you
could use the cfa program developed by Stas Kolenkov  or possibly gllamm by Sophia Rabe-Hasketh and Anders Skrondal.
   Regards,
         Bob Yaffee


Robert A. Yaffee, Ph.D.
Research Professor
Silver School of Social Work
New York University

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----- Original Message -----
From: kornbrot <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:49 am
Subject: Re: st: Aren't distinct factors from factor analysis or PCA orthogonal to each other?
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>


> Is it possible to hierarchical EFA in stata?
>  Are there do  files?
>  Best
>  diana
>  
>  
>  On 17/08/2009 07:43, "Maarten buis" <[email protected]> wrote:
>  
>  > --- On Mon, 17/8/09, kokootchke wrote:
>  >> > I am new to factor analysis and I am trying to use it to
>  >> > decompose a big matrix of economic, financial, and political
>  >> > variables for many countries. So I run
>  >> >
>  >> > factor var1-var100
>  >> >
>  >> > and then I look that the first 3 factors explain most of
>  >> > the variation in that matrix, so then I want to use these
>  >> > three factors to see whether another variable (a measure of
>  >> > the "risk" of the country) is explained by these three
>  >> > factors. So I do:
>  >> >
>  >> > predict factor1 factor2 factor3
>  >> > reg risk factor1 factor2 factor3
>  >> >
>  >> > and I obtain very strongly significant estimates.
>  >> >
>  >> > My first question is: if I understand correctly, these
>  >> > factors should be orthogonal from each other. If that's the
>  >> > case, a regression such as:
>  >> >
>  >> > reg risk factor1
>  >> >
>  >> > should NOT give me a different coefficient for factor1
>  >> > compared to the factor1 coefficient in the first regression
>  >> > that includes all three factors, right? This is because if I
>  >> > omit factor2 and factor3, these things would go into the
>  >> > error term of my regression, but they wouldn't be adding any
>  >> > correlation between the error term and factor1, so the
>  >> > factor1 coefficient shouldn't change.
>  >> >
>  >> > Or should I?
>  >> >
>  >> > In my case, it does. Why is this, can you please help me
>  >> > understand?
>  > 
>  > This is definately true for principle components analysis:
>  > 
>  > *------------- begin example --------------------
>  > sysuse auto, clear
>  > pca weight price rep78 turn length displacement
>  > predict sc1 sc2 sc3
>  > corr sc*
>  > reg mpg sc*
>  > reg mpg sc1
>  > *-------------- end example ---------------------
>  > 
>  > The way I keep pca and factor analysis apart is that pca
>  > is more "mechanical" (It finds orthogonal vectors) while
>  > factor analysis is more "theoretical" (there is a latent
>  > variable influencing the observed variables). I don't
>  > use either of these very often, so I need those simple
>  > rules of thumb. Those who use it more often can
>  > probably say much more about this.
>  > 
>  > Hope this helps,
>  > Maarten
>  > 
>  > -----------------------------------------
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>  > Institut fuer Soziologie
>  > Universitaet Tuebingen
>  > Wilhelmstrasse 36
>  > 72074 Tuebingen
>  > Germany
>  > 
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