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Dimitris Pavlopoulos <Dimitris.Pavlopoulos@soc.kuleuven.be> |

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"statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu" <statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu> |

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RE: st: Estout after xtmixed with ar(1) residuals |

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Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:48:38 +0100 |

Thoma, I double checked it with my data and you are absolutely correct. I'll try to find out how to apply this with estout. eyxaristo, Dimitris ________________________________________ From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Trikalinos [ttrikalin@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:06 PM To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu Subject: Re: st: Estout after xtmixed with ar(1) residuals Dimitri, It appears that Stata has parameterized their optimization a bit differently than you (and I) expected. r_lns2ose is NOT the log(SE) of the residuals in level 1 of the grouping variable. It appears that Stata parameterizes the SE of the residuals in level 1 of the grouping variable using the values at level 0 of the grouping variable as a reference. log(SE_level1_of_grouping) = lnsig_e + r_lns2ose (i.e., r_lns2ose is the log of the factor that multiplied by the SE of the residuals at level 0 of the grouping variable, gives you the desired SE). not sure how you do it in estout. If there is no easier way, you can always calculate the needed value, add it to the estimation results and then run estout. take care t I run this silly example: **************Code begins ******************** webuse nlswork // make a grouping variable with 2 levels gen race2 = (race>=2) xtmixed ln_w grade age tenure if id<1000 || id: grade, /// res(ar 1, t(year) by(race2)) // store the the numbers in the betas mat betas = e(b) // these are the random effects parameters -- exp transformation, as you stated di exp(el(betas,1,colnumb(betas,"lns1_1_1:_cons"))) di exp(el(betas,1,colnumb(betas,"lns1_1_2:_cons"))) // this is the standard deviation of the residual group 1 -- exp transformation of // lnsig_e + r_lns2ose di exp(el(betas,1,colnumb(betas,"lnsig_e:_cons"))+el(betas,1,colnumb(betas,"r_lns2ose:_cons"))) // you already know how to get the correlations. ****************code ends********************** On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Dimitris Pavlopoulos <Dimitris.Pavlopoulos@soc.kuleuven.be> wrote: > Dear Thoma, > > thank you for your reply. I am doing what you suggest but it doesn't work. > > Specifically, in estout, I am using the transformation "transform(ln*: exp(@) exp(@) r_ln*: exp(@) exp(@) at*: tanh(@) (1-tanh(@)^2) r_atr*: tanh(@) (1-tanh(@)^2))", so I am calculating exp(r_lns2ose). Apparently it's not the correct transormation. > > best regards, > Dimitris > > > > ________________________________________ > From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Trikalinos [ttrikalin@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 5:23 PM > To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu > Subject: Re: st: Estout after xtmixed with ar(1) residuals > > Just guessing here -- you should be able to work out quickly if I'm > right or wrong. > > Typically in an ML routine you would optimize for t=log( of an SD or a variance) > this guarantees that the exp(t) (the SD or the variance) is non negative. > > So I'm guessing that to get your variance or SE it should be exp(r_lns2ose) > > Similarly for correlations. If they are allowed to range between -1 > and 1, one probably optimizes for z=tanh^-1 of the correlation, as the > tanh(z) is bounded between -1 and 1. > However, in an autoregressive model the correlation should be between > 0 and 1, no? So I would program the optimization so that the > back-transformation is 0.5*tanh(z)+0.5 -- bounded between 0 and 1. I > dunno what Stata does. > > Please, send an e-mail to the list when you've figured out. > > > > Thomas A Trikalinos MD, PhD > > Co-Director Tufts Evidence-based Practice Center > Associate Director, Center for Clinical Evidence Synthesis > > Institute for Clinical Research and Health Policy Studies > Tufts Medical Center | 800 Washington St | Boston, 02111 MA > > Phone: +1 617 636 0734 > Fax: +1 617 636 8628 > email: ttrikalinos@tuftsmedicalcenter.org > > > > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Dimitris Pavlopoulos > <Dimitris.Pavlopoulos@soc.kuleuven.be> wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> I am trying to use estout after xtmixed (STATA 11 /SE). I am using a model with random slopes and an ar(1) stucture for the residuals. Stata 11 allows the estimation of separate correlation and residual standard deviation according to the values of a categorical variable. I have used this feature for a binary variable. >> >> My problem is that I cannot find which function is estout using to transform the standard deviation of the residuals that corresponds to value 1 of the grouping variable. So, for the residuals estout present: >> >> lnsig_e: variance for residuals corresponding to value 0 of grouping variable >> r_atr1: autoregressive correlation corresponding to value 0 of grouping variable >> r_lns2ose: variance for residuals corresponding to value 1 of grouping variable >> r_atr2: autoregressive correlation corresponding to value 1 of grouping variable >> >> for lnsig_e, I need to exponantiate to get the standard deviation >> For r_atr1 and r_atr2, I am using the tanh() function. >> >> Does anybody know what function do I have to use to get the standard deviation from r_lns2ose? >> >> Thanks in advance? >> >> best regards, >> Dimitris >> * >> * For searches and help try: >> * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search >> * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq >> * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ >> > > * > * For searches and help try: > * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search > * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq > * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ > > * > * For searches and help try: > * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search > * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq > * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ > * * For searches and help try: * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ * * For searches and help try: * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/

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