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RE: st: New rules


From   DE SOUZA Eric <eric.de_souza@coleurope.eu>
To   "'statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu'" <statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu>
Subject   RE: st: New rules
Date   Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:22:05 +0100

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Eric 

Eric de Souza

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From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Fred Wolfe
Sent: 03 February 2010 13:11
To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: st: New rules

I agree with Nick on this point. But I suggest (perhaps?) that it be made clear that it is not necessary to join the list to follow its discussions, though it is encouraged to do so. For example, http://n2.nabble.com/Statalist-f1588530.html provides the discussion and a method to search the list. Also, I think there is an RSS feed, but I am not sure of that point.

Fred

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Nick Cox <n.j.cox@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> I urge strongly that we support Marcello unequivocally on this point.
> His record is outstanding and his longstanding struggle to reconcile 
> the rights of individuals with the health of the list is one that I 
> doubt anyone wants to take over, or that anyone wants anyone else to 
> take over.
>
> It is evident from the archives that Marcello has been pushed to this 
> only with the utmost reluctance. It only needs a little imagination to 
> realise that such a decision also has been taken after much 
> consultation and consideration of the pros and cons of alternatives. 
> Neither past evidence nor present imagination can answer the question 
> of exactly how well it will work, but no one is saying anything is forever.
>
> Nick
> n.j.cox@durham.ac.uk
>
> Schaffer, Mark E
>
> Umm... I think Marcello's posting to the list has all the details of 
> the new policy, no?
>
> I too was very unhappy about the whole business.  I am sure Marcello 
> considered alternative solutions before settling on this one in 
> particular.  But ex ante screening of membership is labour-intensive 
> (Eric's first point), makes the list less open (my point), and may not 
> stop the problem from happening again (Eric's second point).
> Personally, I would have opted for ex post banning for bad behaviour 
> instead of ex ante screening.
>
> Just my 0.02, as they say.  I freely admit that it's easy to kibbitz 
> from the sidelines, and that if I knew what Marcello knows, I could 
> reach the same conclusion as he did.
>
> Martin Weiss
>
> > Wait a minute before you torpedo a policy whose details you do not 
> > know yet!
> > The bleeding had to be stopped! Remember, we were down to 
> > nationalities and mother tongues as arguments!
>
> Schaffer, Mark E
>
> > My reaction was similar to Eric's.  Making Statalist less open, even 
> > if ever so slightly, may not be worth it if events like these happen 
> > only once every decade or so.
>
> DE SOUZA Eric
>
> > > Does it happens often enough for you to spend so much time on it 
> > > screening new applicants?
>
> Marcello Pagano
>
> > > My apologies for allowing the tenor of the list to degrade.
> > > We have now made a change to see if we can stop this from 
> > > happening again.  For those currently on the list the change will 
> > > not
> > affect you
> > > other than you will possibly experience an improved tenor.  New 
> > > subscribers will have to go through a screening process
> > that will add
> > > time, hopefully less than a day, before they can subscribe. The 
> > > screening process is designed to keep some, hopefully very
> > few, people
> > > out.
> > >
> > > Thank you all for your patience while we cleared this mess
> > up.
>
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