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RE: st: New rules


From   "Schaffer, Mark E" <M.E.Schaffer@hw.ac.uk>
To   <statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu>
Subject   RE: st: New rules
Date   Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:20:05 -0000

Ah, now I think I understand - ex post banning bolstered by ex ante screening to catch rescubscribers.  Makes sense.

--Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu 
> [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of 
> Marcello Pagano
> Sent: 03 February 2010 11:55
> To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> Subject: Re: st: New rules
> 
> Of course, ex ante screening won't stop that first occurrence 
> (if we knew how to do that we would send our method to the UN 
> to stop airline terrorism!), but it does put some muscle 
> behind kicking someone off.  
> So, yes, it is a form of ex post banning.  Not perfect, but 
> let's see how it works.  We can very easily go back to the 
> way things were, but once burnt etc....
> 
> m.p.
> 
> 
> Schaffer, Mark E wrote:
> > Umm... I think Marcello's posting to the list has all the 
> details of the new policy, no?
> >
> > I too was very unhappy about the whole business.  I am sure 
> Marcello considered alternative solutions before settling on 
> this one in particular.  But ex ante screening of membership 
> is labour-intensive (Eric's first point), makes the list less 
> open (my point), and may not stop the problem from happening 
> again (Eric's second point).  Personally, I would have opted 
> for ex post banning for bad behaviour instead of ex ante screening.
> >
> > Just my 0.02, as they say.  I freely admit that it's easy 
> to kibbitz from the sidelines, and that if I knew what 
> Marcello knows, I could reach the same conclusion as he did.
> >
> > --Mark
> >
> >   
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> >> [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Martin 
> >> Weiss
> >> Sent: 03 February 2010 10:31
> >> To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> >> Subject: AW: st: New rules
> >>
> >>
> >> <>
> >>
> >>
> >> Wait a minute before you torpedo a policy whose details you do not 
> >> know yet!
> >> The bleeding had to be stopped! Remember, we were down to 
> >> nationalities and mother tongues as arguments!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> HTH
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> >> [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] Im Auftrag von 
> >> Schaffer, Mark E
> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Februar 2010 11:25
> >> An: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> >> Betreff: RE: st: New rules
> >>
> >> Marcello,
> >>
> >> My reaction was similar to Eric's.  Making Statalist less 
> open, even 
> >> if ever so slightly, may not be worth it if events like 
> these happen 
> >> only once every decade or so.
> >>
> >> --Mark
> >>
> >>     
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> >>> [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf 
> Of DE SOUZA 
> >>> Eric
> >>> Sent: 03 February 2010 09:47
> >>> To: 'statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu'
> >>> Subject: RE: <POSSIBLE SPAM>st: New rules
> >>>
> >>> Dear Marcello,
> >>>
> >>> Does it happens often enough for you to spend so much time on it 
> >>> screening new applicants?
> >>>
> >>> Eric
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Eric de Souza
> >>> College of Europe
> >>> BE-8000 Brugge (Bruges)
> >>> Belgium
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> >>> [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf 
> Of Marcello 
> >>> Pagano
> >>> Sent: 02 February 2010 22:32
> >>> To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> >>> Subject: <POSSIBLE SPAM>st: New rules
> >>>
> >>> Dear Listers,
> >>>
> >>> My apologies for allowing the tenor of the list to degrade.  
> >>> We have now made a change to see if we can stop this from 
> happening 
> >>> again.  For those currently on the list the change will not
> >>>       
> >> affect you
> >>     
> >>> other than you will possibly experience an improved tenor.  New 
> >>> subscribers will have to go through a screening process
> >>>       
> >> that will add
> >>     
> >>> time, hopefully less than a day, before they can subscribe. The 
> >>> screening process is designed to keep some, hopefully very
> >>>       
> >> few, people
> >>     
> >>> out.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you all for your patience while we cleared this mess
> >>>       
> >> up. Let us
> >>     
> >>> hope things revert to normal where the worst we should 
> expect is a 
> >>> scolding from Nick.
> >>>
> >>> Keep on listing!
> >>>
> >>> m.p.
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