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"Schaffer, Mark E" <M.E.Schaffer@hw.ac.uk> |

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RE: st: New rules |

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Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:20:05 -0000 |

Ah, now I think I understand - ex post banning bolstered by ex ante screening to catch rescubscribers. Makes sense. --Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu > [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of > Marcello Pagano > Sent: 03 February 2010 11:55 > To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu > Subject: Re: st: New rules > > Of course, ex ante screening won't stop that first occurrence > (if we knew how to do that we would send our method to the UN > to stop airline terrorism!), but it does put some muscle > behind kicking someone off. > So, yes, it is a form of ex post banning. Not perfect, but > let's see how it works. We can very easily go back to the > way things were, but once burnt etc.... > > m.p. > > > Schaffer, Mark E wrote: > > Umm... I think Marcello's posting to the list has all the > details of the new policy, no? > > > > I too was very unhappy about the whole business. I am sure > Marcello considered alternative solutions before settling on > this one in particular. But ex ante screening of membership > is labour-intensive (Eric's first point), makes the list less > open (my point), and may not stop the problem from happening > again (Eric's second point). Personally, I would have opted > for ex post banning for bad behaviour instead of ex ante screening. > > > > Just my 0.02, as they say. I freely admit that it's easy > to kibbitz from the sidelines, and that if I knew what > Marcello knows, I could reach the same conclusion as he did. > > > > --Mark > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu > >> [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Martin > >> Weiss > >> Sent: 03 February 2010 10:31 > >> To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu > >> Subject: AW: st: New rules > >> > >> > >> <> > >> > >> > >> Wait a minute before you torpedo a policy whose details you do not > >> know yet! > >> The bleeding had to be stopped! Remember, we were down to > >> nationalities and mother tongues as arguments! > >> > >> > >> > >> HTH > >> Martin > >> > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > >> Von: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu > >> [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] Im Auftrag von > >> Schaffer, Mark E > >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Februar 2010 11:25 > >> An: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu > >> Betreff: RE: st: New rules > >> > >> Marcello, > >> > >> My reaction was similar to Eric's. Making Statalist less > open, even > >> if ever so slightly, may not be worth it if events like > these happen > >> only once every decade or so. > >> > >> --Mark > >> > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu > >>> [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf > Of DE SOUZA > >>> Eric > >>> Sent: 03 February 2010 09:47 > >>> To: 'statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu' > >>> Subject: RE: <POSSIBLE SPAM>st: New rules > >>> > >>> Dear Marcello, > >>> > >>> Does it happens often enough for you to spend so much time on it > >>> screening new applicants? > >>> > >>> Eric > >>> > >>> > >>> Eric de Souza > >>> College of Europe > >>> BE-8000 Brugge (Bruges) > >>> Belgium > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu > >>> [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf > Of Marcello > >>> Pagano > >>> Sent: 02 February 2010 22:32 > >>> To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu > >>> Subject: <POSSIBLE SPAM>st: New rules > >>> > >>> Dear Listers, > >>> > >>> My apologies for allowing the tenor of the list to degrade. > >>> We have now made a change to see if we can stop this from > happening > >>> again. For those currently on the list the change will not > >>> > >> affect you > >> > >>> other than you will possibly experience an improved tenor. New > >>> subscribers will have to go through a screening process > >>> > >> that will add > >> > >>> time, hopefully less than a day, before they can subscribe. The > >>> screening process is designed to keep some, hopefully very > >>> > >> few, people > >> > >>> out. > >>> > >>> Thank you all for your patience while we cleared this mess > >>> > >> up. Let us > >> > >>> hope things revert to normal where the worst we should > expect is a > >>> scolding from Nick. > >>> > >>> Keep on listing! > >>> > >>> m.p. > >>> * > >>> * For searches and help try: > >>> * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search > >>> * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq > >>> * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ > >>> > >>> * > >>> * For searches and help try: > >>> * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search > >>> * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq > >>> * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Heriot-Watt University is a Scottish charity registered > under charity > >> number SC000278. > >> > >> > >> * > >> * For searches and help try: > >> * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search > >> * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq > >> * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ > >> > >> > >> * > >> * For searches and help try: > >> * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search > >> * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq > >> * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > * > * For searches and help try: > * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search > * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq > * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ > -- Heriot-Watt University is a Scottish charity registered under charity number SC000278. * * For searches and help try: * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/

**References**:**st: New rules***From:*Marcello Pagano <pagano@hsph.harvard.edu>

**RE: <POSSIBLE SPAM>st: New rules***From:*DE SOUZA Eric <eric.de_souza@coleurope.eu>

**RE: st: New rules***From:*"Schaffer, Mark E" <M.E.Schaffer@hw.ac.uk>

**AW: st: New rules***From:*"Martin Weiss" <martin.weiss1@gmx.de>

**RE: st: New rules***From:*"Schaffer, Mark E" <M.E.Schaffer@hw.ac.uk>

**Re: st: New rules***From:*Marcello Pagano <pagano@hsph.harvard.edu>

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