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Re: st: New rules


From   Marcello Pagano <pagano@hsph.harvard.edu>
To   statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
Subject   Re: st: New rules
Date   Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:54:38 -0500

Of course, ex ante screening won't stop that first occurrence (if we knew how to do that we would send our method to the UN to stop airline terrorism!), but it does put some muscle behind kicking someone off. So, yes, it is a form of ex post banning. Not perfect, but let's see how it works. We can very easily go back to the way things were, but once burnt etc....

m.p.


Schaffer, Mark E wrote:
Umm... I think Marcello's posting to the list has all the details of the new policy, no?

I too was very unhappy about the whole business.  I am sure Marcello considered alternative solutions before settling on this one in particular.  But ex ante screening of membership is labour-intensive (Eric's first point), makes the list less open (my point), and may not stop the problem from happening again (Eric's second point).  Personally, I would have opted for ex post banning for bad behaviour instead of ex ante screening.

Just my 0.02, as they say.  I freely admit that it's easy to kibbitz from the sidelines, and that if I knew what Marcello knows, I could reach the same conclusion as he did.

--Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Martin Weiss
Sent: 03 February 2010 10:31
To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
Subject: AW: st: New rules


<>

Wait a minute before you torpedo a policy whose details you do not know yet! The bleeding had to be stopped! Remember, we were down to nationalities and mother tongues as arguments!


HTH
Martin

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
[mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] Im Auftrag von Schaffer, Mark E
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Februar 2010 11:25
An: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
Betreff: RE: st: New rules

Marcello,

My reaction was similar to Eric's. Making Statalist less open, even if ever so slightly, may not be worth it if events like these happen only once every decade or so.

--Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
[mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of DE SOUZA Eric
Sent: 03 February 2010 09:47
To: 'statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu'
Subject: RE: <POSSIBLE SPAM>st: New rules

Dear Marcello,

Does it happens often enough for you to spend so much time on it screening new applicants?

Eric


Eric de Souza
College of Europe
BE-8000 Brugge (Bruges)
Belgium

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
[mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Marcello Pagano
Sent: 02 February 2010 22:32
To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
Subject: <POSSIBLE SPAM>st: New rules

Dear Listers,

My apologies for allowing the tenor of the list to degrade. We have now made a change to see if we can stop this from happening again. For those currently on the list the change will not
affect you
other than you will possibly experience an improved tenor. New subscribers will have to go through a screening process
that will add
time, hopefully less than a day, before they can subscribe. The screening process is designed to keep some, hopefully very
few, people
out.

Thank you all for your patience while we cleared this mess
up. Let us
hope things revert to normal where the worst we should expect is a scolding from Nick.

Keep on listing!

m.p.
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