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RE: st: gologit2

From   David Jacobs <>
Subject   RE: st: gologit2
Date   Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:14:57 -0400

A student and I have about 1300 U.S. state-years in a pooled time series analysis of a state legal outcome that is measured as an ordinal scale (I plan to cluster on the state IDs to adjust for the pooled nature of the data or to use the pooled ordinal estimators in Limdep if I have to).

I understand, of course, how to use the BIC test to compare models, but I don't understand how this test can be used to test for the absence of proportionality in an ordinal logit of probit analysis.

By the way, I can't get slogit to work at all (the Stata rountine won't give estimates) perhaps (?) because we have too many ranked outcomes in this dependent variable.

Thanks for your help in advance.

Dave Jacobs

BIC test to check out departures
At 04:15 PM 4/17/2008, you wrote:

--- David Jacobs <> wrote:
> > I don't yet find a solution for how to handle referees who often
> > can be mechanical and rigid about the departures they will allow
> > from the most conservative textbook practices.

--- Maarten buis <> wrote:
> The easiest way to make everybody happy when the Brant test rejects
> the null, is to show an ologit and a gologit, and (hopefully) show
> that the results are very similar. Then you can refer to the
> distinction between statistical and practical significance, or the
> conclusion does not change, etc.

Alternatives are:
o If your dataset is large you can use (Raftery 1995), he does not deal
with -ologit- specificaly, but more generally with hypothesis
testing/model selection in large datasets. Than you can compare BICs,
these are less likely to reject the proporitonal odds assumption, and
if they do show strong evidence against the proportional odds
assumption you should probably be worried anyhow.

o You can use other methods for dealing with ordinal dependent
variables that are not surrounded by these ingrained practices, for
instance the stereotyped ordered logit (-slogit- in Stata). This is a
cheat, but if it gets you around the referees...

-- Maarten

Raftery, Adrian E. (1995).  Bayesian model selection in social research
(with Discussion). Sociological Methodology, 25, 111-196.

Maarten L. Buis
Department of Social Research Methodology
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
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1081 HV Amsterdam
The Netherlands

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