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Re: st: Re: st: estout for version 8.0?

From   Anna G <>
Subject   Re: st: Re: st: estout for version 8.0?
Date   Sat, 15 Jul 2006 05:03:12 -0700 (PDT)

Dear Clive and others,
I apologize for the inconvenience and I understand your frustration.

It is the first time I hear about update all and I will certainly execute it very often from now on.

I am sure that I will be a much better programer if I could read every single post on the list. Unfortunately I am not in school any more and I don't have the time to do that. 

I think the strongest asset of this list is that you can get customized help. Violent reactions like that can only discourage the use of the listserve and do not advance the global good of it. 

Again, my sincerest apologies!!! I am sure i'll ask more "stupid" questions from now on so I apologize in advance. If people do not want to answer them, that's their choice.

Thank you, Richard, for your prompt answer.


 From   "Clive Nicholas" <>   To   Subject   Re: st: estout for version 8.0?   Date   Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:11:50 +0100 (BST)         Richard Williams replied to Anna G:

> You don't need an earlier version of estout, you need a later version
> of Stata.  Upgrading Stata 8 to Stata 8.2 is free.  Just type
> update all
> and follow the directions.  If you get something like a timeout error, try
> update executable
> update ado

Something Tommy Cooper never said, but I feel a Constantine Daskalakis
moment coming on...

Natuarally, Rich, being the ever so nice and helpful man he always is,
politely reminds _yet another_ listee that their Stata needs to be updated
before confirming that their 'error' really is an error. They then do that
and guess what, folks? Almost always, it isn't.

I don't know about you, but I read these posts thinking, "Rich, why bother
yourself? If a minority of users can't be bothered to -update- their Stata
regularly, then frankly they deserve to stir in eternal ignorance within
the pits of darkest hell." Well, either there or South Shields. (Al
Feiveson's recent reports of his occasionally frustrating teaching
experiences of promoting the benefits of Stata to non-users provoked much
the same personal reaction, but I restrained myself from adding my $0.02
that time.)

Sorry for such a violent reaction, but I really am getting fed up of
reading posts from people who don't check updates on their Stata
religiously - despite it being such an easy thing to get into the habit of
doing - and come on here wondering why they have a problem. Type -update
all- when you launch Stata before you do anything else. Indeed, in the
case of Ben Jann's -estout- and other user-written packages, typing
-adoupdate(, update)- would be a better bet.

"Okay, and _relax_..."

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