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Re: st: two-tailed tests
"Michael N. Mitchell" <Michael.Norman.Mitchell@gmail.com>
Re: st: two-tailed tests
Fri, 09 Jul 2010 11:21:53 -0700
I have found this to be a very fascinating discussion. I feel that it reveals much
about our science and our training as scientists. Issues have been raised that go beyond
one and two tailed tests, issues that might be categorized as science, research methods,
or even philosophy of science (with David's recent post regarding Popper). I would like to
comment, but do so specifically in a very personal way in terms of my experience trained
as an experimental psychologist based on methods a philosophy of science that drew largely
from books and publications of the 1960s and 1970s.
Michael N. Mitchell
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On 2010-07-09 8.52 AM, David Bell wrote:
Statistical tests perform many functions.
When one-tailed is theoretically/philosophically justified: In a Popperian theory-testing world, any result other than positive significance means the theory is disconfirmed. So in this case, a one-tailed test is exactly appropriate. (Popper, Karl R. 1965. Conjectures and refutations: The growth of scientific knowledge. New York: Harper& Row.)
When one-tailed is NOT theoretically/philosophically justified: A two-tailed test implies meaning in both tails. In applied studies that test outcomes, a positive result is taken to mean the drug works, non-significance is taken to mean that the drug does not work (actually, that there is not evidence that the drug works), but a significant negative result means that the drug is actively harmful. In this case, a one-tailed test would have obscured the harmfulness of the drug by lumping harm with non-effectiveness..
Remember that the purpose of a statistical test to the scientific community as a sociological community is to protect the community from the enthusiasm of researchers. If a researcher is going to tell us his/her theory is true, we want the chance of being fooled (Type I error, false positive) to be strictly limited. We as readers and consumers don’t worry about disappointment of a researcher with a good theory but bad data (Type II error, false negative).
As a practical matter, many journals insist on two-tailed tests for several reasons. One reason is because two-tailed tests are conservative (even though the stated probability level is inaccurate, it means that the researcher has only half the chance to fool us). Another is to discourage researchers from “cherry-picking” close calls – e.g., reporting one-tailed .05 significance instead of two-tailed .10 (“marginal”) significance. Another is that, in the endeavor of science, one result is relatively unimportant, so conservative is better for the overall process of science.
David C. Bell
Professor of Sociology
Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI)
On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Eric Uslaner wrote:
... If you found an extreme result in the
wrong direction, you would better be advised to check your data for
errors or your model for very high levels of multicollinearity. If
someone found that strong Republican party identifiers are much more
likely than strong Democrats to vote for the Democratic candidate, no
one would give that finding any credibility no matter what a two-tailed
test showed. The same would hold for a model in economics that showed a
strong negative relationship between investment in education and
economic growth. Of course, those who put such faith in two-tailed
tests would say: You never know. Well, you do. That's the role of
Now I don't know what goes on substantively (or methodologically) in
the biological sciences, e.g. Seems as if many people are very much
concerned with the null hypothesis. In the social sciences, we learn
that the null hypothesis is generally uninteresting. When it is
interesing, as in my own work on democracy and corruption, it is to
debunk the argument that democracy leads to less corruption (with the
notion that democracy might lead to more corruption seen as not worth
entertaining seriously). So again, one would use a one-tailed test and
expect that there would be no positive relation between democratization
and lack of corruption.
Of course, Nick is right that graphics often tell a much better story.
But that is not the issue here. Two-tailed tests are largely an
admission that you are going fishing. They are the statistical
equivalent of stepwise regression
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