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RE: AW: st: sort of standardization

From   "Nick Cox" <>
To   <>
Subject   RE: AW: st: sort of standardization
Date   Thu, 13 May 2010 16:37:22 +0100

The first is certainly a sensible way to calculate length of stay if
time is recorded only as daily dates. It can be regarded as "number of
days present". 


Lachenbruch, Peter
Subject: RE: AW: st: sort of standardization

That isn't a range, as you indicate - it's the number of days of
hospitalization or the length of an episode.

Joseph Coveney

I'm not trying to side with Rich on this, but I know of at least one
area where such a formula is used for a range--or at least a range-like 
concept--and is not intended to indicate cardinality:  in medical
length of hospital stay is defined as 

    discharge date - admittance (admission) date + 1

and duration of an episode of a drug side effect is apparently defined
some quarters as

    recovery time - onset time + 1



Nick Cox 

For sure, but who (else) calls this the range? 

That's just (a version of) the number of distinct values. In some moods,
or in some circles, many of us would call it the cardinality. 

A version of, because to spell out the obvious, even with integers there
are at least three definitions that need not give the same numerical

1. Number of distinct values observed. 

2. Number of distinct values possible in principle. 

3. max - min + 1. 

Otherwise put, are we talking different terminology or different


Lachenbruch, Peter

I think Rich is thinking of the number of distinct integers between 1
and 10, while the range is generally defined as the largest minus the

Nick Cox

The word "range" is surely ambiguous, although the ambiguity does not
bite hard. I have no difficulty in saying both that the range is the
interval [1,10] and that the range is the difference 9. Does that differ
from Rich's view? 


Richard Goldstein

look at it this way -- if my min is 1 and my max is 10, then the range
is 10 (it seems to me), not 9 -- i.e., I think of the range as the min
to the max *inclusive* of each endpoint; StataCorp apparently disagrees

On 5/12/10 10:46 AM, Martin Weiss wrote:

> " local range=r(max)-r(min)+1"
> Rich, what does the "+1" term do for the "range"? I took the
definition in
> my code from [R], page 204. Am I missing anything?

Richard Goldstein
> if I understand correctly what you want, I would do the following
> a -foreach- loop:
> summarize variable
> calculate the range from r(min) and r(max)
> divide the old variable by this calculated range inside a -gen-
> e.g.,
> foreach var of varlist .... {
> qui su `var'
> local range=r(max)-r(min)+1
> gen `var'3=`var'/`range'
> }

> On 5/12/10 10:29 AM, Ginevra Biino wrote:

>> I have to standardize many variables (in order to run PCA).
>> Besides generating the n corresponding std(varname) vars, which I
>> already done, I also want to generate n new  variables obtained
>> each variable by its range. Can anybody help me?

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