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Re: st: Re: Difficulty with posting and replying


From   fjgallo@mac.com
To   statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
Subject   Re: st: Re: Difficulty with posting and replying
Date   Sun, 03 May 2009 08:35:01 -0400

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Hi Martin, Eric, Michael, & Maarten,

Thank you all for your time and help with my difficulties posting to the listserv. I used your suggestions and contacted mac support for additional information. My solution involved the following:

1. Set font to Monaco: fixed-width.
2. Message format has been plain text.
3. I have had no signatures: desktop or mobile me account.
4. Set text encoding for each message to utf-8.
5. Include symbols the first two lines to avoid cut messages.

I hope I have fixed the issue: at least generally.

Best,
Frank


On May 2, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Eric A. Booth wrote:

The spirit is right but the letter is wrong. (The appearance of " "
might lead many to expect an exact quotation.)

FAQ 2.2 (http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/statalist.html#toask)
says precisely

"Majordomo sometimes misreads posts and in particular can chop the first
line."

Nick


On May 2, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Michael Hanson wrote:


1. Stick some garbage characters at the top of your messages. Martin uses "<>" (that is, "less than sign" then "greater than sign"); after some experimenting (years ago), I have settled on typing a space, a period, a tab, and two returns before I start the text of my messages (including replies). (Note that the FAQ states that "Majordomo sometimes misreads posts and in particular can chop the first line", while my experience has been that it takes my first 2 lines _every_ time for messages from my .Mac account. YMMV.)


>
I am also using Mac 10.5 & Apple Mail.app with nearly identical settings to the ones Michael describes.....

Statalist always chops my first 2 lines as well (but Nick's right, Statalist FAQ does say 'the first line', maybe this should be updated if this is happening to all Mac users?). I've sent a posting from the mail utility in Mac's terminal (BSD command from bash shell) (can also be done using the -mail- command in Stata for Mac) and it still chops my first two lines.

However, as long as I remember to send the email as plain text, I've never had an email fail to show up on Statalist.

Eric

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Eric A. Booth
Public Policy Research Institute
Texas A&M University
ebooth@ppri.tamu.edu
Office: +979.845.6754
Fax: +979.845.0249





On May 2, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Martin Weiss wrote:

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"> Martin uses the <> at the top of his messages because Stata FAQ 2.2
(see: http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/ statalist.html#before ) states that the list server can sometimes "chop the first few lines" "

True, I used to put a sentence there, but the "<>" is much less intrusive. I do not recall the last incident where it was needed, though...

HTH
Martin
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric A. Booth" <ebooth@ppri.tamu.edu >
To: <statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu>
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: st: Re: Difficulty with posting and replying


Frank:

Martin uses the <> at the top of his messages because Stata FAQ 2.2 (see: http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/statalist.html#before ) states that the list server can sometimes "chop the first few lines" of an email/posting. So, his <> symbol will be cut if any of the server does remove the first line(s).


You've probably tried this, but if the email program you are using (which according to your X-MAILER properties in your message is Apple Mail (mail.app) 2.9) is attaching a signature to your outgoing mail, this signature is html format. So, while you may be converting you message to 'plain-text' before sending it on the mac (by highlighting you message and pressing Shift +Command+T), your signature injects new html code into your message as it leaves your computer. (Remember that mail.app can be synching your signatures with your mobile me account in the background (see Mail Menu>Preferences> General Tab> Mobile Me... ) )


If this is not your problem, then there may be bigger issues:
1. what kind of text encoding are you using (see Message Menu>Text Encoding)? You might try switching to utf-8 (which would get you to 8- Bit encoding), right now your messages use are using mac's automatic encoding (text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes) & your content-encoding scheme is 7-bit. Your outgoing server (smtp.mac.com) provides a content transfer method for encoding the message (e.g., 7-bit, 8-bit, and binary methods), when SMTP transmits data in 7-bit MIME defines how 8- bit data can be encoded in 7-bit byte stream for transmission in SMTP. So, there may be something going on with your outgoing server @mac.com that could be resolved by using a 8-bit encoding, like utf-8. 2. It is likely that the mac.com SMTP server may be your own worst enemy. There are lots of reports of mobile me (mac.com) periodically dumping messages from certain ISP's (especially after they've been tagged as having some user sending out a lot of spam). I notice that your IP address and your outgoing smtp relay (e.g., asmtp011.mac.com, asmtp022.mac.com) have changed over the course of your email messages to Statalist from April 24 to today. Are you noticing any patterns of your Statalist postings being 'lost' when sending just from work or home, etc? See this link for an interesting example of similar messages being 'lost' and someways to test this using Terminal and telnet( http://the.taoofmac.com/space/blog/2008/03/09/1100 ).

If you go to the Mail Menu > Preferences > Viewing Pref. Tab and choose "Show Header Detail = All" and then check the full headers of your messages that made it through to Statalist versus the ones that did not, that might help you diagnose the differences among these messages. If you want to send me the output of the headers on your unsuccessful headers, I can take a look & compare them to your recent 'successful' postings.

Good luck.


Eric

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Eric A. Booth
Public Policy Research Institute
Texas A&M University
ebooth@ppri.tamu.edu
Office: +979.845.6754
Fax: +979.845.0249



On May 2, 2009, at 7:53 AM, fjgallo@mac.com wrote:

Hi Martin,

I was thinking maybe my dilemma involves copying and pasting text (e.g., syntax). So I replied to your last message, pasted some text from a message that I have been trying to post, and sent it. The message did not post. So if this message gets posted, it may be the copy and paste mechanism causing me difficulties. We will see.

Best,
Frank

On May 2, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Martin Weiss wrote:

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Nick`s advice http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/lwgate/STATALIST/archives/statalist.0904/Author/article-593.html still applies, although I am aware how frustrating it can be sometimes. Plain text-ing from the adress subscribed on Statalist normally guarantees success...


HTH
Martin
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----- Original Message ----- From: <fjgallo@mac.com>
To: <statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu>
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 1:51 PM
Subject: st: Difficulty with posting and replying


Hi All,

I am having difficulty posting and replying to posts: "It is a hit or miss adventure." I format my posts and replies in plain text. I am using a mac (Leopard OS). I hope this message posts. Does anyone have suggestions? Thank you.

Best,
Frank

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