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Steven Samuels <sjhsamuels@earthlink.net> |

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Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: st: Survey - raking - calibration - post stratification - calculating weights |

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Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:09:04 -0500 |

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-Steve On Dec 9, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Kristian Wraae wrote:

None, since they were not asked to participate. So we have no samples from that part of the country amongst the 600. Actually it get a little bit more complicated than that since we also excluded a few people due to ethnicity. Our project deals with in part with genestics so only caucasians were included in the final 600.The danish population (especially in the age group we are lookingat) isvery homogenous in the first place so not that many were excluded.But I guess we should drop distant islands and non-caucasians fromthe 4975and 3743.That will of course affect the validity of prevalences estimated.They willno longer be distributions in the danish population but rather indanishcaucasians. -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu[mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] På vegne af StevenSamuelsSendt: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:55 PM Til: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu Emne: Re: SV: SV: SV: st: Survey - raking - calibration - post stratification - calculating weights Kristian, How many men in the 600 person sample were from the distant islands? On Dec 9, 2008, at 11:25 AM, Kristian Wraae wrote:Thanks Steve I was referring to the design. What I meant by same probability was that if I include the distant islands in the most distant non-island categories those categories would be weighted too high due to the fact that too few of the 600 would be from that category.I think the only good solution is to drop the 164 men from the the 4975 and rake on geography with fewer categories. included in the final sample". People had different probabilities of getting into that sample; that is why you are doing the response- modeling. -Steve On Dec 9, 2008, at 10:23 AM, Kristian Wraae wrote:I think the reason why STATA complains about totals not being equal is that I have one geography category missing amingst the 600. We refrained from asking people who lived on distant islands, and thus had difficulty showing up, to participate in the final sample to avoid have too many dropouts. So I suppose we should drop all individuals living on islands amongst the 4975 (it is only 164) and later amongst the 3743 (120) in order to do the final raking with geography.Alternatively the final raking should be done without geography since there is really no reason to belive that geography should be a factor determining health.Another approach is to include the islands into the most distant zip-code category, but that will interfere with the assumption that all had the same probability of being included in the final sample.You misunderstand the purpose of raking. There is no such assumption involved.My best suggesting will be not to rake on geography at in the last two steps (or maybe at all). Age is definately the most important variable to rake on.-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] På vegne af Kristian Wraae Sendt: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:23 PM Til: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu Emne: SV: SV: st: Survey - raking - calibration - post stratification - calculating weights Now I have continued to step 2 with this do file: *Step 2 xi: logistic sample i.age_grp i.geo_grp i.health_medication i.health_diseases predict p_r gen weight3x = weight2x * (1/p_r) keep if sample == 1 *(reducing dataset to 600 men) survwgt rake weight3x, /// by(age_grp geo_grp) /// totvars(tot_age_grp tot_geo_grp) /// gen(weight4x) The problem now is that Stata says that "totals across dimensions 1 and 2 are not equal" Why is that? Should I generate new totals for tot_age_grp and tot_geo_grp? Should they be based on the 3743 Why? How do I deal with missing values in p_r (depending on which predictors I include in the logistisk regression I might get missing values for p_r). -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] På vegne af Kristian Wraae Sendt: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 12:35 PM Til: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu Emne: SV: SV: st: Survey - raking - calibration - post stratification - calculating weights I have now tried to do the first step of the raking. I have 15 age groups and 67 geographic groups (simply based on the zip codes). I tried to do the raking first with a smaller number of geographic groups (10) but the results were more accurate with all groups. The variable I have are: age = continuos variable containg the age of the subject at the time of sampling dist_study = continuous variable containing the distance from the individual to me. age_grp = categorial variable - 15 age strata. geo_grp = zip code quest = 1 if individual returned a filled out questionnaire pop = 1 if individual was amongst the 4975 in the original sample (all had of course pop=1) sample = 1 for each finally included subject. The do file looks like this: ************* *To get data from the orginal population tabstat age tabstat dist_study *Raking starts by generating totals in each age group and geographical group egen tot_age_grp = count(pop),by(age_grp) egen tot_age_grp_q = count(pop) if quest==1, by(age_grp) egen tot_geo_grp = count(pop),by(geo_grp) egen tot_geo_grp_q = count(pop) if quest==1, by(geo_grp) *Inital weight is generated gen weight1x = (tot_age_grp / tot_age_grp_q) keep if quest==1 *(reducing the dataset to 3743 men) survwgt rake weight1x, /// by(age_grp geo_grp) /// totvars(tot_age_grp tot_geo_grp) /// gen(weight2x) svyset [pweight=weight2x], strata(age_grp) *Description svydes *Now we estimate the average age in the 4975 men from the 3743 men svymean age *Now we estimate the average distance to travel to get to me for the 4975 men based on the 3743 men svymean dist_study *These are the actual numbers for the 3743 men. tabstat age tabstat dist_study ****************** The output from Stat8 is: . ************* . tabstat age variable | mean -------------+---------- age | 66.6695 ------------------------ . tabstat dist_study variable | mean -------------+---------- dist_study | 25.90153 ------------------------ . . . egen tot_age_grp = count(pop),by(age_grp) . egen tot_age_grp_q = count(pop) if quest==1, by(age_grp) (1232 missing values generated) . . egen tot_geo_grp = count(pop),by(geo_grp) . egen tot_geo_grp_q = count(pop) if quest==1, by(geo_grp) (1232 missing values generated) . . gen weight1x = (tot_age_grp / tot_age_grp_q) (1232 missing values generated) . . keep if quest==1 (1232 observations deleted) . *(reducing the dataset to 3743 men) . survwgt rake weight1x, ///by(age_grp geo_grp) /// totvars(tot_age_grp tot_geo_grp) /// gen(weight2x). . svyset [pweight=weight2x], strata(age_grp) pweight is weight2x strata is age_grp . . svydes pweight: weight2x Strata: age_grp PSU: <observations> #Obs per PSU Strata ---------------------------- age_grp #PSUs #Obs min mean max -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- 1 346 346 1 1.0 1 2 333 333 1 1.0 1 3 304 304 1 1.0 1 4 297 297 1 1.0 1 5 284 284 1 1.0 1 6 275 275 1 1.0 1 7 249 249 1 1.0 1 8 246 246 1 1.0 1 9 231 231 1 1.0 1 10 209 209 1 1.0 1 11 212 212 1 1.0 1 12 210 210 1 1.0 1 13 184 184 1 1.0 1 14 174 174 1 1.0 1 15 189 189 1 1.0 1 -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- 15 3743 3743 1 1.0 1 . . svymean age Survey mean estimation pweight: weight2x Number of obs = 3743 Strata: age_grp Number of strata = 15 PSU: <observations> Number of PSUs = 3743 Population size = 4975---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ --Mean | Estimate Std. Err. [95% Conf. Interval]Deff--------- +-------------------------------------------------------------- ---------+---- --age | 66.66605 .0067455 66.65283 66.67928 .0092211---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ -- . svymean dist_study Survey mean estimation pweight: weight2x Number of obs = 3742 Strata: age_grp Number of strata = 15 PSU: <observations> Number of PSUs = 3742 Population size = 4973.7235---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ --Mean | Estimate Std. Err. [95% Conf. Interval]Deff--------- +-------------------------------------------------------------- ---------+---- --dist_s~y | 25.90772 .3139459 25.2922 26.523251.01731---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ -- . . tabstat age variable | mean -------------+---------- age | 66.5895 ------------------------ . tabstat dist_study variable | mean -------------+---------- dist_study | 25.93867 ------------------------ . end of do-file As one can see the average age amongst the 4975 men is: 66.6695 Using raking and svymean Stata estimates the average age amongst the 4975 men based on the information from the 3743 men to be: 66.66605 As one can see those are quite similar. Now let us look at the distance to travel. We raked on zip codes which are not equivalent to distances but despite that the results are quite amazing: We know the average distance to travel is: 25.90153 km After raking and basing the results on the 3743 men Stata estimates the distance to be: 25.90772 km Strikingly similar. The true distributions amongst the 3743 are not as close: 66.5895 years and 25.93867 kms, but really not that far off. The differences will be far greater when raking the 600. 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