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"Kristian Wraae" <Kristian_Wraae@vip.cybercity.dk> |

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SV: SV: SV: SV: st: Survey - raking - calibration - post stratification - calculating weights |

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Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:10:56 +0100 |

None, since they were not asked to participate. So we have no samples from that part of the country amongst the 600. Actually it get a little bit more complicated than that since we also excluded a few people due to ethnicity. Our project deals with in part with genestics so only caucasians were included in the final 600. The danish population (especially in the age group we are looking at) is very homogenous in the first place so not that many were excluded. But I guess we should drop distant islands and non-caucasians from the 4975 and 3743. That will of course affect the validity of prevalences estimated. They will no longer be distributions in the danish population but rather in danish caucasians. -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] På vegne af Steven Samuels Sendt: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:55 PM Til: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu Emne: Re: SV: SV: SV: st: Survey - raking - calibration - post stratification - calculating weights Kristian, How many men in the 600 person sample were from the distant islands? On Dec 9, 2008, at 11:25 AM, Kristian Wraae wrote: > Thanks Steve > > I was referring to the design. > What I meant by same probability was that if I include the distant > islands > in the most distant non-island categories those categories would be > weighted > too high due to the fact that too few of the 600 would be from that > category. > > I think the only good solution is to drop the 164 men from the the > 4975 and > rake on geography with fewer categories. > > included in the final sample". People had different probabilities of > getting into that sample; that is why you are doing the response- > modeling. > > > -Steve > > On Dec 9, 2008, at 10:23 AM, Kristian Wraae wrote: > >> I think the reason why STATA complains about totals not being equal >> is that >> I have one geography category missing amingst the 600. We refrained >> from >> asking people who lived on distant islands, and thus had difficulty >> showing >> up, to participate in the final sample to avoid have too many >> dropouts. >> >> So I suppose we should drop all individuals living on islands >> amongst the >> 4975 (it is only 164) and later amongst the 3743 (120) in order to >> do the >> final raking with geography. > >> Alternatively the final raking should be done >> without geography since there is really no reason to belive that >> geography >> should be a factor determining health. > > >> >> Another approach is to include the islands into the most distant >> zip-code >> category, but that will interfere with the assumption that all had >> the same >> probability of being included in the final sample. > > You misunderstand the purpose of raking. There is no such assumption > involved. >> >> My best suggesting will be not to rake on geography at in the last >> two steps >> (or maybe at all). >> >> Age is definately the most important variable to rake on. >> > >> >> >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >> Fra: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu >> [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] På vegne af Kristian >> Wraae >> Sendt: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:23 PM >> Til: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu >> Emne: SV: SV: st: Survey - raking - calibration - post >> stratification - >> calculating weights >> >> >> Now I have continued to step 2 with this do file: >> >> *Step 2 >> >> xi: logistic sample i.age_grp i.geo_grp i.health_medication >> i.health_diseases >> >> predict p_r >> >> gen weight3x = weight2x * (1/p_r) >> >> keep if sample == 1 >> *(reducing dataset to 600 men) >> survwgt rake weight3x, /// >> by(age_grp geo_grp) /// >> totvars(tot_age_grp tot_geo_grp) /// >> gen(weight4x) >> >> >> >> The problem now is that Stata says that "totals across dimensions 1 >> and 2 >> are not equal" >> >> Why is that? Should I generate new totals for tot_age_grp and >> tot_geo_grp? >> Should they be based on the 3743 Why? >> >> How do I deal with missing values in p_r (depending on which >> predictors I >> include in the logistisk regression I might get missing values for >> p_r). >> >> >> >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >> Fra: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu >> [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] På vegne af Kristian >> Wraae >> Sendt: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 12:35 PM >> Til: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu >> Emne: SV: SV: st: Survey - raking - calibration - post >> stratification - >> calculating weights >> >> >> I have now tried to do the first step of the raking. >> >> I have 15 age groups and 67 geographic groups (simply based on the >> zip >> codes). >> >> I tried to do the raking first with a smaller number of geographic >> groups >> (10) but the results were more accurate with all groups. >> >> The variable I have are: >> age = continuos variable containg the age of the subject at the >> time of >> sampling dist_study = continuous variable containing the distance >> from the >> individual to me. age_grp = categorial variable - 15 age strata. >> geo_grp = >> zip code quest = 1 if individual returned a filled out >> questionnaire pop = 1 >> if individual was amongst the 4975 in the original sample (all had >> of course >> pop=1) sample = 1 for each finally included subject. >> >> The do file looks like this: >> >> ************* >> *To get data from the orginal population >> tabstat age >> tabstat dist_study >> >> *Raking starts by generating totals in each age group and >> geographical group >> egen tot_age_grp = count(pop),by(age_grp) egen tot_age_grp_q = >> count(pop) >> if quest==1, by(age_grp) >> >> egen tot_geo_grp = count(pop),by(geo_grp) >> egen tot_geo_grp_q = count(pop) if quest==1, by(geo_grp) *Inital >> weight is >> generated gen weight1x = (tot_age_grp / tot_age_grp_q) >> >> keep if quest==1 >> *(reducing the dataset to 3743 men) >> survwgt rake weight1x, /// >> by(age_grp geo_grp) /// >> totvars(tot_age_grp tot_geo_grp) /// >> gen(weight2x) >> >> svyset [pweight=weight2x], strata(age_grp) >> >> *Description >> svydes >> *Now we estimate the average age in the 4975 men from the 3743 men >> svymean >> age *Now we estimate the average distance to travel to get to me >> for the >> 4975 men based on the 3743 men svymean dist_study >> >> *These are the actual numbers for the 3743 men. >> tabstat age >> tabstat dist_study >> ****************** >> >> The output from Stat8 is: >> >> . ************* >> . tabstat age >> >> variable | mean >> -------------+---------- >> age | 66.6695 >> ------------------------ >> >> . tabstat dist_study >> >> variable | mean >> -------------+---------- >> dist_study | 25.90153 >> ------------------------ >> >> . >> . >> . egen tot_age_grp = count(pop),by(age_grp) >> >> . egen tot_age_grp_q = count(pop) if quest==1, by(age_grp) (1232 >> missing >> values generated) >> >> . >> . egen tot_geo_grp = count(pop),by(geo_grp) >> >> . egen tot_geo_grp_q = count(pop) if quest==1, by(geo_grp) (1232 >> missing >> values generated) >> >> . >> . gen weight1x = (tot_age_grp / tot_age_grp_q) >> (1232 missing values generated) >> >> . >> . keep if quest==1 >> (1232 observations deleted) >> >> . *(reducing the dataset to 3743 men) >> . survwgt rake weight1x, /// >>> by(age_grp geo_grp) /// >>> totvars(tot_age_grp tot_geo_grp) /// >>> gen(weight2x) >> >> . >> . svyset [pweight=weight2x], strata(age_grp) >> pweight is weight2x >> strata is age_grp >> >> . >> . svydes >> >> pweight: weight2x >> Strata: age_grp >> PSU: <observations> >> #Obs per PSU >> Strata ---------------------------- >> age_grp #PSUs #Obs min mean max >> -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- >> 1 346 346 1 1.0 1 >> 2 333 333 1 1.0 1 >> 3 304 304 1 1.0 1 >> 4 297 297 1 1.0 1 >> 5 284 284 1 1.0 1 >> 6 275 275 1 1.0 1 >> 7 249 249 1 1.0 1 >> 8 246 246 1 1.0 1 >> 9 231 231 1 1.0 1 >> 10 209 209 1 1.0 1 >> 11 212 212 1 1.0 1 >> 12 210 210 1 1.0 1 >> 13 184 184 1 1.0 1 >> 14 174 174 1 1.0 1 >> 15 189 189 1 1.0 1 >> -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- -------- >> 15 3743 3743 1 1.0 1 >> >> . >> . svymean age >> >> Survey mean estimation >> >> pweight: weight2x Number of obs = >> 3743 >> Strata: age_grp Number of strata = >> 15 >> PSU: <observations> Number of PSUs = >> 3743 >> Population size >> = 4975 >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> ------ >> -- >> Mean | Estimate Std. Err. [95% Conf. Interval] Deff >> --------- >> +-------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---------+---- >> -- >> age | 66.66605 .0067455 66.65283 66.67928 .0092211 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> ------ >> -- >> >> . svymean dist_study >> >> Survey mean estimation >> >> pweight: weight2x Number of obs = >> 3742 >> Strata: age_grp Number of strata = >> 15 >> PSU: <observations> Number of PSUs = >> 3742 >> Population size = >> 4973.7235 >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> ------ >> -- >> Mean | Estimate Std. Err. [95% Conf. Interval] Deff >> --------- >> +-------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---------+---- >> -- >> dist_s~y | 25.90772 .3139459 25.2922 26.52325 1.01731 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> ------ >> -- >> >> . >> . tabstat age >> >> variable | mean >> -------------+---------- >> age | 66.5895 >> ------------------------ >> >> . tabstat dist_study >> >> variable | mean >> -------------+---------- >> dist_study | 25.93867 >> ------------------------ >> >> . >> end of do-file >> >> As one can see the average age amongst the 4975 men is: 66.6695 >> >> Using raking and svymean Stata estimates the average age amongst >> the 4975 >> men based on the information from the 3743 men to be: 66.66605 >> >> As one can see those are quite similar. >> >> Now let us look at the distance to travel. We raked on zip codes >> which are >> not equivalent to distances but despite that the results are quite >> amazing: >> >> We know the average distance to travel is: 25.90153 km >> >> After raking and basing the results on the 3743 men Stata estimates >> the >> distance to be: 25.90772 km >> >> Strikingly similar. The true distributions amongst the 3743 are >> not as >> close: 66.5895 years and 25.93867 kms, but really not that far off. >> >> The differences will be far greater when raking the 600. >> >> I will now go on. >> >> >> * >> * For searches and help try: >> * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search >> * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq >> * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ >> >> >> * >> * For searches and help try: >> * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search >> * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq >> * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ >> >> >> * >> * For searches and help try: >> * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search >> * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq >> * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ > > > * > * For searches and help try: > * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search > * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq > * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ > > > * > * For searches and help try: > * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search > * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq > * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ * * For searches and help try: * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ * * For searches and help try: * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/

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