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I have a data set for deer fawns, in which I want to test whether fawns 
of one species, whitetails, are more likely to die from predation during 
summer than mule deer. I plan to run a separate analysis to test whether 
the other species, mule deer are more likely than whitetails to die 
during winter. For the summer sample, there are 129 whitetail fawns from 
124 mothers and 207 mule deer from 177 mothers. For the winter sample, 
there are 26 whitetail fawns from 25 mothers, and 129 mule deer from 103 
mothers. This means there is one measurement (live or die) for each fawn.

Someone strongly recommended that I use a mixed model with the motherís 
identity as a random factor to analyse the survival data (e.g., 
xtmelogit in Stata). I certainly appreciate the value of including 
family effects as random factors when there is a large enough family to 
estimate those effects, or the variance associated with those effects. 
But in this case, most females have one fawn so the data appear 
insufficient to estimate random effects or the variance, and I believe 
the latter is needed to estimate an intercept.

I have searched far and wide for an answer. The closest thing I found, 
and it seems to make sense, is an article suggesting that a large group 
size (n=50) as well as a large number of groups (n=100) are needed for a 
mixed effects logistic regression to produce decent estimates of fixed 
effects as well as random effects (citation below). They found severe 
flaws when group size was less than 5. Apparently, the sample size 
issues are not as restrictive for linear models, although I get the 
impression one still would need more than n=5 for each group.

It is appropriate to use mixed models for binary response variables, or 
even for linear response variables, when the groups usually consist of 1 
individuals and at most 2 individuals???

Can anyone advise? It would be greatly appreciated.


Article: R. Moineddin et al 2007. A simulation study of sample size for 
multilevel logistic regression models. BMC Medical Research Methodology 

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