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"Joe McCrary" <joe.mccrary@gmail.com> |

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Re: st: To STATA experts - BOOK |

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Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:13:22 -0400 |

I find the Quick Reference and Index manual to be indispensable for addressing the points about making the remaining manuals easier to go through. Granted, I still would like to have the entire documentation set electronically (both for ease of searching and to reduce the space taken up by books in my smallish office), but that's a discussion that has been held on this list in the past. On 9/13/07, Joseph Trubisz <jtrubisz@mac.com> wrote: > As a computer scientist with 39-years experience, the last 5 finishing a PhD, I > have quite a bit of exposure to 'technical manuals'. > > I was not exposed to Stata prior to my PhD experience. Hence, I was at the mercy > of either the lecturer or the books. In all my years, I have never seen a set of books > without an index or page numbers. And, I mean an index like "<topic> on page X", > not just point to a book. I find this quite annoying, especially if you are a newbie. > > Secondly, having worked for a number of software firms over the years, one of the > 'proofs' that the documentation is in fact working is the questions that are being asked > on the customer or helpdesk sites. While many on the stata site are truly statistical > in nature, many of them are quite easily answered if you either have had the problem > before or are so experienced in the product that you just 'know' the answer. In short, > while it is true that people do NOT read manuals, perhaps it's the fault of the docs > which cause many of the problems (see above comment). > > I do like Beginning Stata Programming For Dummies and a Gentle Introduction to > Stata, but like most books like that, they are too simplistic for actual use, outside of > the ability to provide exposure to the most rudimentary operations using a product. > If you need to do something more 'real', then they do fall short. That being said, I > still find both quite informative, especially in showing the 'how-to' do something. Some > people, like myself, do learn better 'by-example'. > > A "For Dummies" book might be good, but I think that just a general improvement in > Stata documentation would be significantly better. Perhaps Stata writers should look > at any set of IBM technical docs to see what I mean. > > Only my 2-cents (prior to inflation). > > Joe > > > On Thursday, September 13, 2007, at 02:29AM, "Ulrich Kohler" <kohler@wzb.eu> wrote: > >> Dear Stata experts, > >> > >> Why donīt you write down a book "Stata for dummies"? > >> > >> Current available books on Stata are insufficient for non-statisticians > >> researchers. Most examples on Stata programming are ridiculous. > >> Furthermore, there is no book commenting on common errors and problems > >> when running analyses with Stata. You could use the Statalist to summarize > >> the 100 most common problems/errors in Stata, put them together, > >> illustrate with nice examples and drawings, add things you think are > >> important and, finnaly, a "Stata for dummies" shows up. > >> > >> Then, you could come out with "Beginning Stata Programming For Dummies" > >> and, eventually, "Stata - All-in-One Desk Reference for Dummies" or > >> something like that. > > > >As author of the book "Data Analysis Using Stata" I would be interested > >in which sense you think that the book is insufficient (or even > >ridiculous) for non-statisticans researchers. "Data Analysis Using > >Stata" is written for students without statistical knowledge, and > >without knowledge of a statistical software package. It tries to teach > >data analysis by showing how to analyze data with Stata. If there are > >serious shortcomings in the approach of the book I would be curious to > >hear about them, so that the book can be improved in future releases. > >Many regards > > > >Uli > > > > > >-- > >kohler@wzb.eu > >030 25491-361 > > > > > >* > >* For searches and help try: > >* http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/findit.html > >* http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq > >* http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ > > > > > > * > * For searches and help try: > * http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/findit.html > * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq > * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ > -- Joe McCrary ********************** "No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it." --Albert Einstein * * For searches and help try: * http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/findit.html * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/

**References**:**st: To STATA experts - BOOK***From:*tiago.pereira@incor.usp.br

**Re: st: To STATA experts - BOOK***From:*Ulrich Kohler <kohler@wzb.eu>

**Re: st: To STATA experts - BOOK***From:*Joseph Trubisz <jtrubisz@mac.com>

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