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Re: RE: st: Stata vs SPSS


From   Robert A Yaffee <bob.yaffee@nyu.edu>
To   statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
Subject   Re: RE: st: Stata vs SPSS
Date   Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:51:56 -0700

I was suprised that no one mentioned the following Stata advantages:
1. superb panel data analysis menu
2. Bootstrapping and jacknifing capability
3. Multivariate time series capability--including VAR and VECM
4. quality control module
5. epidemological analysis: incidence rate analysis, cohort study, and 
case-control analysis
6. Selection model setup
7. Easier piping
8. better matrix language
9. update downloading capability
10. all of this is built into a one-time purchase--with SPSS you have 
to buy
   addons as extra modules
You get more analytical bang for the buck with Stata by far.

Robert A. Yaffee, Ph.D.
Research Professor
Shirley M. Ehrenkranz
School of Social Work
New York University

home address:
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2100 Linwood Ave.
Fort Lee, NJ
07024-3171
Phone: 201-242-3824
Fax: 201-242-3825
yaffee@nyu.edu

----- Original Message -----
From: "Earnhart, Benjamin J" <benjamin-earnhart@uiowa.edu>
Date: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:41 pm
Subject: RE: st: Stata vs SPSS

> In my observation regarding getting jobs and such, I think that
> generation and environment matter.
> 
> Every new faculty member we've hired in the past eight years or so 
has
> been primarily a Stata user (apart from a couple of qualitative 
> people).Even older faculty have somewhat come over, if only 
> because once
> students get past their intro classes, it's all Stata or specialized
> packages, so they need to get with the program to be able to work 
with
> high-quality grad students and take advantage of the opportunities
> provided by younger faculty. The person who teaches intro is 
> great, but
> won't move away from SPSS, given ten or fifteen years of notes and 
> such.Too much inertia.  Once the person teaching intro hands it 
> off to
> somebody else, then it will be all Stata. These are my observations
> regarding Sociology.  
> 
> I may go over my ICPSR requests re: format, but I *think* Stata is
> becoming a more popular format than SPSS in Poli Sci and other 
> fields.  
> 
> Nobody asks for SAS, because if you use SAS, you don't need your 
ICPSR
> rep to get it into a stats package -- you already know what you're
> doing.  SAS is so user un-friendly that it's insane.  With serious
> multi-user applications the security features of SAS become relevant,
> and that at its guts it's moving to SQL, SAS may have a future in an
> enterprise environment.  But for a beginner and/or everyday usage, 
not
> the way to go.  If you're doing hardcore multi-user stuff, it has
> something to offer.
> 
> Re: jobs, given the paragraph above, Stata won't make it into the
> enterprise right away.  Sure, it now has ODBC support, but not to the
> extent that SAS does.  SPSS has it, too, but so much of it is those
> silly "wizards" that make your job more difficult, not easier.  So 
for
> enterprise stuff, SAS is marketable for the foreseeable future
> (especially given that it's so hard to learn).  But for academia, 
> Statais the wave of the future (unless you're so hard-core that 
> you become an
> R zealot, and that's too much for your average undergrad).
> 
> SPSS is for MBAs who don't understand how to properly use Excel -- 
> 'nuffsaid.  
> 
> Below is the text of an off-list response I got, that describes it 
> froma student's perspective (who is at a different department, and 
> I'venever met.  Dunno if s/he was merely being humble, and I 
> apologize to
> him/her if sharing the words below are a breach of confidence.  
> But it
> summarizes a lot.
> 
> Ben  
> 
> 
> 
> From someone who learned SPSS as a first year masters student and 
> then 
> switched to Stata in the first year of my doctoral, I explain it 
> this 
> way to students: Stata is as simple as SPSS and as powerful(and 
> sometimes more so) than SAS. I didn't even need a formal course to 
> learn
> Stata. Every student I know who started with SPSS and switched to 
> Stata,
> self learned within a semester and would NEVER switch back - 
> ever.... 
> It's kind of like going from particle board to mahogany, or from 
> linoleum to marble, or plastic to leather. They just have to trust 
> you 
> on this!
> 
> *==========================================;
> *Ben Earnhart
> *Computer Consultant and 
> *ICPSR Representative
> *Department of Sociology and 
> *College of Liberal Arts
> *University of Iowa
> *(319) 335-2887
> *benjamin-earnhart@uiowa.edu
> *==========================================; 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu 
> > [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of 
> > Clive Nicholas
> > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:08 PM
> > To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> > Subject: Re: st: Stata vs SPSS
> > 
> > Joseph Coveney replied to Raphael Fraser:
> > 
> > > Let them discover on their own.  They choose the package, 
> > and you choose
> > > the problem sets.  Stata is easy enough that if they decide 
> > to switch
> > > midway through, they won't be long in catching up on their own.
> > >
> > > In all fairness to the students, who will be looking for 
> > work soon enough,
> > > take a look at the job postings page on the UCLA ATA Stat 
> Computing> > website (URL at the bottom of this posting):
> > >
> > > Posting #1 "expected to have experience applying a wide 
> variety of
> > > multivariate statistical methods to health or substance 
> > abuse research
> > > data, managing large databases, and using statistical 
> > software including
> > > SAS and SPSS "
> > >
> > > Posting #2 "At least one year of SAS programming/analysis 
> > experience. "
> > >
> > > Posting #3 "Good working knowledge of SAS and/or SPSS 
> required. "
> > >
> > > Posting #4 "Extensive experience with statistical 
> > programming (such as SAS
> > > and Stata [finally!]). Knowledge with SUDAAN and SPSS."
> > 
> > I second this vociferously: this is exactly how it is right now 
> in the
> > commercial-sector UK job market: it's knowledge of SPSS, SAS 
> > or MS Excel
> > that counts; knowledge of anything else counts for very 
> > little if anything
> > at all. I've yet to come across a job advert that asks for 
> > knowledge of
> > Stata outside of the university sector, and that's very 
> > depressing given
> > Stata's all-round strengths.
> > 
> > Perhaps Stata isn't marketed as aggressively towards business 
> > users as it
> > ought to be? Should it be? Well, that's what SPSS has been 
> > doing in recent
> > years, and they've been very successful, but it's coming at 
> > the cost of
> > making SPSS _much_ less comprehensive in its suite of 
> > commands than Stata,
> > LIMDEP and one or two other packages that offer a much 
> > broader range of
> > commands at very competitive prices.
> > 
> > CLIVE NICHOLAS        |t: 0(044)7903 397793
> > Politics              |e: clive.nicholas@ncl.ac.uk
> > Newcastle University  |http://www.ncl.ac.uk/geps
> > 
> > Whereever you go and whatever you do, just remember this. No 
> > matter how
> > many like you, admire you, love you or adore you, the number of 
> people> turning up to your funeral will be largely determined by 
> local weather
> > conditions.
> > 
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