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Re: st: Odd SEM Results


From   Anders Alexandersson <[email protected]>
To   [email protected]
Subject   Re: st: Odd SEM Results
Date   Mon, 5 Aug 2013 11:13:48 -0400

Hi Joe, only the first model from the SEM builder specifies the
options "latent(Intercept Slope ) nocapslatent" which, I guess, might
be why this model has chi2(45) instead of chi2(43) and no output for
_cons in the structural model. What happens if you instead use the
default?

Anders Alexandersson
[email protected]

On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Joseph Trubisz <[email protected]> wrote:
> Greetings...
>
> I probably am just missing something, but I don't know what.
> I'm attempting to use sembuilder to create the diagram from Acock's SEM book, specifically the example
> as shown on p.188.
>
> If I use sembuilder, it generates the following output:
>
> . sem (Intercept@1 -> bmi01) (Intercept@1 -> bmi02) (Intercept@1 -> bmi03) (Intercept@1 -> bmi05) (Interc
>> ept@1 -> bmi06) (Intercept@1 -> bmi07) (Intercept@1 -> bmi08) (Intercept@1 -> bmi09) (Slope@0 -> bmi01)
>> (Slope@1 -> bmi02) (Slope@2 -> bmi03) (Slope@4 -> bmi05) (Slope@5 -> bmi06) (Slope@6 -> bmi07) (Slope@
>> 7 -> bmi08) (Slope@8 -> bmi09) (_cons -> Intercept) (_cons -> Slope) (male -> Intercept) (male -> Slope
>> ) (wgtc -> Intercept) (wgtc -> Slope) if bmi01!=.|bmi02!=.|bmi03!=.|bmi05!=.|bmi06!=.|bmi07!=.|bmi08!=.
>> |bmi09!=., method(mlmv) latent(Intercept Slope ) var( e.Intercept*e.Slope) nocapslatent noconstant
> note: Missing values found in observed exogenous variables. Using the noxconditional behavior. Specify
>    the forcexconditional option to override this behavior.
> Endogenous variables
>
> Measurement:  bmi01 bmi02 bmi03 bmi05 bmi06 bmi07 bmi08 bmi09
> Latent:       Intercept Slope
>
> Exogenous variables
>
> Observed:     male wgtc
>
> Fitting saturated model:
>
> Iteration 0:   log likelihood = -30162.223
> Iteration 1:   log likelihood = -29297.714
> Iteration 2:   log likelihood = -28707.587
> Iteration 3:   log likelihood = -28564.929
> Iteration 4:   log likelihood = -28557.353
> Iteration 5:   log likelihood = -28557.204
> Iteration 6:   log likelihood = -28557.204
>
> Fitting baseline model:
>
> Iteration 0:   log likelihood = -36523.419
> Iteration 1:   log likelihood = -36520.845
> Iteration 2:   log likelihood = -36520.836
> Iteration 3:   log likelihood = -36520.836
>
> Fitting target model:
>
> Iteration 0:   log likelihood =  -52919.48  (not concave)
> Iteration 1:   log likelihood = -52675.161  (not concave)
> Iteration 2:   log likelihood = -52171.219  (not concave)
> Iteration 3:   log likelihood = -49397.835  (not concave)
> Iteration 4:   log likelihood = -42220.623  (not concave)
> Iteration 5:   log likelihood = -39274.796
> Iteration 6:   log likelihood =  -38652.54
> Iteration 7:   log likelihood = -34772.666
> Iteration 8:   log likelihood = -32169.128
> Iteration 9:   log likelihood = -31367.639
> Iteration 10:  log likelihood = -30934.922
> Iteration 11:  log likelihood = -30910.018
> Iteration 12:  log likelihood = -30909.236
> Iteration 13:  log likelihood = -30909.234
>
> Structural equation model                       Number of obs      =      1581
> Estimation method  = mlmv
> Log likelihood     = -30909.234
>
> ( 1)  [bmi01]Intercept = 1
> ( 2)  [bmi02]Intercept = 1
> ( 3)  [bmi02]Slope = 1
> ( 4)  [bmi03]Intercept = 1
> ( 5)  [bmi03]Slope = 2
> ( 6)  [bmi05]Intercept = 1
> ( 7)  [bmi05]Slope = 4
> ( 8)  [bmi06]Intercept = 1
> ( 9)  [bmi06]Slope = 5
> (10)  [bmi07]Intercept = 1
> (11)  [bmi07]Slope = 6
> (12)  [bmi08]Intercept = 1
> (13)  [bmi08]Slope = 7
> (14)  [bmi09]Intercept = 1
> (15)  [bmi09]Slope = 8
> (16)  [bmi01]_cons = 0
> (17)  [bmi02]_cons = 0
> (18)  [bmi03]_cons = 0
> (19)  [bmi05]_cons = 0
> (20)  [bmi06]_cons = 0
> (21)  [bmi07]_cons = 0
> (22)  [bmi08]_cons = 0
> (23)  [bmi09]_cons = 0
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             |                 OIM
>             |      Coef.   Std. Err.      z    P>|z|     [95% Conf. Interval]
> ---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> Structural     |
> Intercept <- |
>        male |   26.90551   .6496371    41.42   0.000     25.63225    28.17878
>        wgtc |   6.996785   .6003745    11.65   0.000     5.820072    8.173497
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> Slope <-     |
>        male |   .3657208     .02104    17.38   0.000     .3244831    .4069584
>        wgtc |   .0889063   .0194718     4.57   0.000     .0507423    .1270703
> ---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> Measurement    |
> bmi01 <-     |
>   Intercept |          1  (constrained)
>       _cons |          0  (constrained)
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> bmi02 <-     |
>   Intercept |          1  (constrained)
>       Slope |          1  (constrained)
>       _cons |          0  (constrained)
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> bmi03 <-     |
>   Intercept |          1  (constrained)
>       Slope |          2  (constrained)
>       _cons |          0  (constrained)
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> bmi05 <-     |
>   Intercept |          1  (constrained)
>       Slope |          4  (constrained)
>       _cons |          0  (constrained)
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> bmi06 <-     |
>   Intercept |          1  (constrained)
>       Slope |          5  (constrained)
>       _cons |          0  (constrained)
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> bmi07 <-     |
>   Intercept |          1  (constrained)
>       Slope |          6  (constrained)
>       _cons |          0  (constrained)
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> bmi08 <-     |
>   Intercept |          1  (constrained)
>       Slope |          7  (constrained)
>       _cons |          0  (constrained)
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> bmi09 <-     |
>   Intercept |          1  (constrained)
>       Slope |          8  (constrained)
>       _cons |          0  (constrained)
> ---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> Mean           |
>        male |   .4990512   .0125749    39.69   0.000      .474405    .5236975
>        wgtc |  -.0001655   .0192488    -0.01   0.993    -.0378925    .0375614
> ---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> Variance       |
>     e.bmi01 |   2.618815   .2046736                      2.246876    3.052323
>     e.bmi02 |   4.086149   .2175673                      3.681222    4.535619
>     e.bmi03 |   4.674361   .2320231                      4.241024    5.151974
>     e.bmi05 |   5.778033   .2604252                      5.289505    6.311681
>     e.bmi06 |   8.181968   .3511234                      7.521926    8.899928
>     e.bmi07 |   3.794672   .1906747                      3.438769    4.187409
>     e.bmi08 |    2.92201   .1689406                      2.608965    3.272618
>     e.bmi09 |   3.308288   .2088301                      2.923295    3.743984
> e.Intercept |   324.2532   11.61219                      302.2741    347.8304
>     e.Slope |   .2448578   .0117764                      .2228311     .269062
>        male |   .2499991   .0088918                      .2331651    .2680484
>        wgtc |   .5851282   .0208269                      .5456996    .6274057
> ---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> Covariance     |
> e.Intercept  |
>     e.Slope |   4.109434    .280162    14.67   0.000     3.560327    4.658542
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> male         |
>        wgtc |  -.0751429   .0098082    -7.66   0.000    -.0943666   -.0559193
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> LR test of model vs. saturated: chi2(45)  =   4704.06, Prob > chi2 = 0.0000
>
>
> However, the output is nothing like what's in the book. However, if I type in
> exactly what's in the book (p.188), I get the correct results as shown below:
>
> . sem (Intercept@1 Slope@0->bmi01) (Intercept@1 Slope@1->bmi02) (Intercept@1 Slope@2->bmi03) (Intercept@1
>> Slope@4->bmi05)(Intercept@1 Slope@5->bmi06)(Intercept@1 Slope@6->bmi07)(Intercept@1 Slope@7->bmi08)(In
>> tercept@1 Slope@8->bmi09) (Intercept Slope<-male wgtc _cons) if bmi01!=.|bmi02!=.|bmi03!=.|bmi05!=.|bmi
>> 06!=.|bmi07!=.|bmi08!=.|bmi09!=.,var(e.Intercept*e.Slope) method(mlmv) noconstant
> note: Missing values found in observed exogenous variables. Using the noxconditional behavior. Specify
>    the forcexconditional option to override this behavior.
> Endogenous variables
>
> Measurement:  bmi01 bmi02 bmi03 bmi05 bmi06 bmi07 bmi08 bmi09
> Latent:       Intercept Slope
>
> Exogenous variables
>
> Observed:     male wgtc
>
> Fitting saturated model:
>
> Iteration 0:   log likelihood = -30162.223
> Iteration 1:   log likelihood = -29297.714
> Iteration 2:   log likelihood = -28707.587
> Iteration 3:   log likelihood = -28564.929
> Iteration 4:   log likelihood = -28557.353
> Iteration 5:   log likelihood = -28557.204
> Iteration 6:   log likelihood = -28557.204
>
> Fitting baseline model:
>
> Iteration 0:   log likelihood = -36523.419
> Iteration 1:   log likelihood = -36520.845
> Iteration 2:   log likelihood = -36520.836
> Iteration 3:   log likelihood = -36520.836
>
> Fitting target model:
>
> Iteration 0:   log likelihood =  -52919.48  (not concave)
> Iteration 1:   log likelihood = -52663.873  (not concave)
> Iteration 2:   log likelihood = -52499.164  (not concave)
> Iteration 3:   log likelihood = -52371.927  (not concave)
> Iteration 4:   log likelihood = -46362.021  (not concave)
> Iteration 5:   log likelihood = -34630.285  (not concave)
> Iteration 6:   log likelihood = -34303.836  (not concave)
> Iteration 7:   log likelihood = -29724.362
> Iteration 8:   log likelihood =   -29095.8
> Iteration 9:   log likelihood = -28787.969
> Iteration 10:  log likelihood = -28750.647
> Iteration 11:  log likelihood =  -28750.02
> Iteration 12:  log likelihood = -28750.019
>
> Structural equation model                       Number of obs      =      1581
> Estimation method  = mlmv
> Log likelihood     = -28750.019
>
> ( 1)  [bmi01]Intercept = 1
> ( 2)  [bmi02]Intercept = 1
> ( 3)  [bmi02]Slope = 1
> ( 4)  [bmi03]Intercept = 1
> ( 5)  [bmi03]Slope = 2
> ( 6)  [bmi05]Intercept = 1
> ( 7)  [bmi05]Slope = 4
> ( 8)  [bmi06]Intercept = 1
> ( 9)  [bmi06]Slope = 5
> (10)  [bmi07]Intercept = 1
> (11)  [bmi07]Slope = 6
> (12)  [bmi08]Intercept = 1
> (13)  [bmi08]Slope = 7
> (14)  [bmi09]Intercept = 1
> (15)  [bmi09]Slope = 8
> (16)  [bmi01]_cons = 0
> (17)  [bmi02]_cons = 0
> (18)  [bmi03]_cons = 0
> (19)  [bmi05]_cons = 0
> (20)  [bmi06]_cons = 0
> (21)  [bmi07]_cons = 0
> (22)  [bmi08]_cons = 0
> (23)  [bmi09]_cons = 0
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             |                 OIM
>             |      Coef.   Std. Err.      z    P>|z|     [95% Conf. Interval]
> ---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> Structural     |
> Intercept <- |
>        male |   1.555545   .2436739     6.38   0.000     1.077953    2.033137
>        wgtc |   3.759441    .160021    23.49   0.000     3.445806    4.073077
>       _cons |   24.85781    .170538   145.76   0.000     24.52356    25.19206
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> Slope <-     |
>        male |   .0173321   .0271012     0.64   0.522    -.0357853    .0704495
>        wgtc |   .0459197   .0178505     2.57   0.010     .0109333    .0809062
>       _cons |   .3430045   .0189564    18.09   0.000     .3058506    .3801584
> ---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> Measurement    |
> bmi01 <-     |
>   Intercept |          1  (constrained)
>       _cons |          0  (constrained)
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> bmi02 <-     |
>   Intercept |          1  (constrained)
>       Slope |          1  (constrained)
>       _cons |          0  (constrained)
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> bmi03 <-     |
>   Intercept |          1  (constrained)
>       Slope |          2  (constrained)
>       _cons |          0  (constrained)
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> bmi05 <-     |
>   Intercept |          1  (constrained)
>       Slope |          4  (constrained)
>       _cons |          0  (constrained)
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> bmi06 <-     |
>   Intercept |          1  (constrained)
>       Slope |          5  (constrained)
>       _cons |          0  (constrained)
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> bmi07 <-     |
>   Intercept |          1  (constrained)
>       Slope |          6  (constrained)
>       _cons |          0  (constrained)
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> bmi08 <-     |
>   Intercept |          1  (constrained)
>       Slope |          7  (constrained)
>       _cons |          0  (constrained)
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> bmi09 <-     |
>   Intercept |          1  (constrained)
>       Slope |          8  (constrained)
>       _cons |          0  (constrained)
> ---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> Mean           |
>        male |   .4990512   .0125749    39.69   0.000      .474405    .5236975
>        wgtc |  -.0009276   .0192434    -0.05   0.962    -.0386439    .0367888
> ---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> Variance       |
>     e.bmi01 |   2.443884    .191981                      2.095144    2.850673
>     e.bmi02 |     4.1472   .2157233                      3.745229    4.592315
>     e.bmi03 |   4.772852   .2325326                       4.33818    5.251077
>     e.bmi05 |   5.789807   .2596509                      5.302625    6.321749
>     e.bmi06 |   8.228898   .3520222                       7.56708    8.948599
>     e.bmi07 |   3.810727   .1909167                      3.454322    4.203904
>     e.bmi08 |   2.922193   .1687984                      2.609396    3.272487
>     e.bmi09 |   3.298484   .2089123                      2.913418    3.734444
> e.Intercept |    20.5145   .8043478                      18.99706    22.15315
>     e.Slope |    .189059   .0097265                       .170925    .2091168
>        male |   .2499991   .0088918                      .2331651    .2680484
>        wgtc |   .5849257   .0208131                      .5455228    .6271748
> ---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> Covariance     |
> e.Intercept  |
>     e.Slope |  -.0272943   .0635517    -0.43   0.668    -.1518533    .0972647
> -------------+----------------------------------------------------------------
> male         |
>        wgtc |  -.0747626   .0098037    -7.63   0.000    -.0939775   -.0555478
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> LR test of model vs. saturated: chi2(43)  =    385.63, Prob > chi2 = 0.0000
>
> Problem: I look at the command not working and comparing it to the command that does
> work and I don't see the difference.
>
> Can anyone point out to me where I might be going wrong?
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