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RE: st: RE: Testing for instrument relevance and overidentification when the endogeneous variable is used in interaction terms


From   "Schaffer, Mark E" <M.E.Schaffer@hw.ac.uk>
To   "statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu" <statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu>
Subject   RE: st: RE: Testing for instrument relevance and overidentification when the endogeneous variable is used in interaction terms
Date   Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:26:04 +0000

Jason,

I was just generalizing - in your case there's only one preliminary regression, namely the one to get en_hat.

Cheers,
Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [mailto:owner-
> statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Jason Wichert
> Sent: 06 June 2013 13:27
> To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> Subject: Re: st: RE: Testing for instrument relevance and overidentification
> when the endogeneous variable is used in interaction terms
> 
> Mark,
> 
> As multiple times before, thank you very much. However, you got me a little
> confused with your statement “when you do the various preliminary
> regressions” for getting fitted values. My understanding was to solely get
> fitted values for my one truly endogenous variable “en” from a single
> regression of “en” on all included and excluded instruments (including ex1
> and ex2, which are to be interacted with “en”), to then form interactions of
> the fitted/predicted values of “en” with ex1 and ex2, and ultimately use
> those interactions (enhat, enhat_ex1, enhat_ex2) as instruments for en,
> en_ex1, en_ex2 in ivreg2.
> Apologies for asking again, but considering the difficulties encountered and
> discussed so far, I want to make sure to follow the correct procedure and
> stay away from any territory of forbidden regressions and the likes.
> 
> I’m afraid you and statalist won’t have heard from me and this issue for the
> last time just yet.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Jason
> 
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Schaffer, Mark E <M.E.Schaffer@hw.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> > Jason,
> >
> > I think that's right.  If it's the procedure I think you have in mind, the
> intuition behind it is that you are fairly confident that your included and
> excluded instruments (ex and z in your notation, I think) in various forms
> (levels, squares, interactions with each other, etc.) are all valid instruments.
> When you do the various preliminary regressions ("first stage" is probably
> the wrong term - it's not the same thing as the 1st stage of 2SLS) and get
> fitted values, those fitted values are linear combinations of various valid
> instruments.  Since they're linear combinations of exogenous things, they're
> also exogenous and can be used as excluded instruments or interacted with
> other exogenous variables to get still more instruments.  The reason to use
> linear combinations instead of the variables separately is to avoid the various
> problems that come from using a large number of excluded instruments.  Of
> course, there's a lot of other stuff you also have to believe for this to !
> >  work, but that's your call ... good luck!
> >
> > HTH,
> > Mark
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [mailto:owner-
> >> statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Jason Wichert
> >> Sent: 06 June 2013 08:50
> >> To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> >> Subject: Re: st: RE: Testing for instrument relevance and
> >> overidentification when the endogeneous variable is used in
> >> interaction terms
> >>
> >> Mark,
> >>
> >> Unfortunately I need both of them. It’s been established both
> >> empirically as well as analytically to use both ex1 and ex2 as
> >> distinct constructs of good and bad characteristics at the same time, and I
> try to examine whether “en”
> >> moderates the links between ex1, ex2, and y.
> >>
> >> As alternatives to using levels or quadratic levels of the ex1 and
> >> ex2 interacted with en, I already played around with classifications
> >> into quartiles and quintiles, corroborating my results (I didn’t do
> >> deciles due to the size of my sample). However, since “en” is highly
> >> influenced by both ex1 and ex2, I’m afraid every reviewer is
> >> inevitably going to ask for remedies about endogeneity extending a set of
> appropriate control variables or fixed effects.
> >> Depending on how you look at it, (un)fortunately, not too many
> >> researchers have taken on this endogeneity issue; the ones that do
> >> largely instrument “en”
> >> and simply control for ex1 and/or ex2 absent any interactions.
> >>
> >> The one paper most closely related in so far as that it uses "en" in
> >> interaction terms, instruments "en" and several interaction terms
> >> using the fitted first stage values; he runs FSR's for "en" and all
> >> exogeneous variables, then instruments "en" as well as the
> >> interaction terms by enhat as well as interactions of the exogenous
> >> variables with enhat, to lastly use the fitted values in the second
> >> stage. Therefore, his model is just-identified and the only test statistic he
> reports is the A/P(2009) F-stat.
> >>
> >> While such approach has been mentioned here on statalist before (e.g.
> >> in http://www.stata.com/statalist/archive/2011-08/msg01496.html in a
> >> reply to http://www.stata.com/statalist/archive/2011-08/msg01485.html
> >> ; in http://www.stata.com/statalist/archive/2011-12/msg00718.html in
> >> a reply to
> >> http://www.stata.com/statalist/archive/2011-12/msg00705.html
> >> ), but then again, just because something has been published before
> >> and maybe even cited, it doesn’t necessarily have to be the only,
> >> correct, or only correct way, I guess.
> >>
> >> Searching for alternatives, however, I’m tempted to give this
> >> approach at least a try in my setting. Please correct me where I’m
> >> wrong, but the procedure (leaving quadratic variables aside) would
> >> look like the
> >> following:
> >>
> >> 1. I regress “en” on all instruments:
> >>
> >> regress en ex1 ex2 controls z1 z2
> >>
> >> 2. I predict enhat:
> >>
> >> predict enhat
> >>
> >> 3. I form interactions of ex1_enhat ex2_enhat
> >>
> >> 4. I run a 2SLS and instrument for the endogenous interaction terms
> >> by way of the generated interactions:
> >>
> >> ivreg2 y controls ex1 ex2 (en en_ex1 en_ex2 = enhat enhat_ex1
> >> enhat_ex2)
> >>
> >> Is there anything I’m missing or that I should be cautious of?
> >>
> >> Again, thank you very much in advance.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Schaffer, Mark E
> >> <M.E.Schaffer@hw.ac.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Jason,
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [mailto:owner-
> >> >> statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Jason Wichert
> >> >> Sent: 05 June 2013 23:07
> >> >> To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> >> >> Subject: Re: st: RE: Testing for instrument relevance and
> >> >> overidentification when the endogeneous variable is used in
> >> >> interaction terms
> >> >>
> >> >> Mark,
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks much and apologies for the lack of clarification. Yes, from
> >> >> model [1] to model [2] the C-D F-stat drastically declines, from
> >> >> well rejecting weak identification (depending on the choice of
> >> >> instruments, the F-stat ranges between 15 and 20) to values of
> >> >> around
> >> >> 4 or 5. I assume this decline, as well as the increase in the
> >> >> Sargan-statistic (from clear rejection of the null to failure to
> >> >> reject), to result from the strong (weak) correlations between my
> >> >> excluded instruments and the dependent variable (some of the
> >> endogenous regressors); e.g.
> >> >> the excluded instrument ex1_z1 is strongly correlated to y,
> >> >> whereas it is barely correlated to the endogenous interaction term
> >> >> ex2_en. I will definitely look closer into the Sargan-Hansen
> >> >> statistic and try to get a feel for what the tests show when I
> >> >> completely drop either
> >> >> ex1 or ex2, thus at the very least increasing the correlation
> >> >> between the excluded instruments and the endogenous regressors.
> >> >>
> >> >> The forbidden regressions I already did read up on amidst my
> >> >> crusade through the statalist archives, searching for guidance on my
> problems.
> >> >> While I’m admittedly nervous about the error-proneness, I thought
> >> >> the procedure suggested by Jeffrey Wooldridge
> >> >> (http://www.stata.com/statalist/archive/2011-03/msg00188.html )
> >> >> might allow me to instrument only “en” in the third step. Do you
> >> >> see any other feasible way to reduce the ivreg2 command and the
> >> >> respective tests to ultimately just one endogenous variable?
> >> >
> >> > Are both the endogenous regressors actually of interest?  Could you
> >> > drop
> >> one or the other?
> >> >
> >> > If one of the regressors is the one you really care about, and the
> >> > other is
> >> there because you're worried about omitted variable bias, a halfway
> >> house that might work would be a semi-reduced form: drop the
> >> endogenous regressor that isn't interesting, and add selected
> >> instruments to the regression as regressors.  Hard to tell whether
> >> this is appropriate in your case
> >> - it probably isn't - but worth mentioning anyway.
> >> >
> >> > --Mark
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Schaffer, Mark E
> >> >> <M.E.Schaffer@hw.ac.uk>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Jason,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [mailto:owner-
> >> >> >> statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Jason Wichert
> >> >> >> Sent: 05 June 2013 21:49
> >> >> >> To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: st: RE: Testing for instrument relevance and
> >> >> >> overidentification when the endogeneous variable is used in
> >> >> >> interaction terms
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Alright, now here s some more issues I have encountered.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Using just one endogenous variable “en” in the model
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> [1] ivreg2 y ex1 ex2 controls (en = z1 z2),
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> the respective test statistics are just fine. However, when
> >> >> >> also incorporating interaction terms of the kind
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> [2] ivreg2 y ex1 ex2 control (en en_ex1 en_ex2 = z1 z2 z1_ex1
> >> >> >> z1_ex2
> >> >> >> z2_ex1 z2_ex2)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> as well as quadratic interaction terms, I’m having issues with
> >> >> >> the test
> >> >> results.
> >> >> >> In particular:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> - Stock/Yogo (2005) have calculated critical values for the
> >> >> >> Cragg-Donald (1993) F-statistic only for up to three endogenous
> >> >> >> variables. While the critical values provided don’t differ too
> >> >> >> much among 1, 2, and 3 endogenous variables and such references
> >> >> >> might be eyeballed, does anyone know about exact critical
> >> >> >> values in the case of
> >> >> more than three endogenous regressors?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I don't think they've been compiled.  But no one should mind if
> >> >> > you are a
> >> >> bit hand-wavey in your writeup at this point.  Rough magnitudes
> >> >> are still informative.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> - as further regards the Cragg-Donald (1993) F-statistic to
> >> >> >> test for weak identification, I notice an implosion of the
> >> >> >> F-statistic from model [1] to model [2].
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Do you mean it gets very small, so the model becomes weakly
> >> identified?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Since the null of C-D states that the instruments are *jointly*
> >> >> >> only weakly correlated with the endogenous regressors, I
> >> >> >> naively assume the small F- statistic results from the 2SLS
> >> >> >> procedure in my case, since many of the instruments are
> >> >> >> strongly correlated to the endogenous variables, i.e. the
> >> >> >> interaction terms, by construction (e.g. z1_ex1 is highly
> >> >> >> correlated to en_ex1). Could somebody confirm
> >> >> this?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Not sure what you mean, to be honest.  My gut feeling is that
> >> >> > you are
> >> >> expecting a lot of your instruments for them to be correlated with
> >> >> the endogenous regressors not just in levels but also via interactions.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> - on a side note, the Kleibergen-Paap (2006) statistic of
> >> >> >> underidentification does just fine in each model.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> - a similar concerns regards the Sargan/Hansen statistic of
> >> >> >> overidentification, which tests whether *any* of the
> >> >> >> instruments fail the orthogonality criterion. Since I know ex1
> >> >> >> and ex2 are highly correlated to y, so should the constructed
> >> >> >> instruments z1_ex1, z1_ex2, etc., right? Therefore, I naively
> >> >> >> interpret the exploding Sargan-statistic (from failure to
> >> >> >> reject the null of overidentification with a p-value of around
> >> >> >> 0.7 to complete rejection at
> >> >> 0.00) as a mere by-product of my model specification, correct?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Again, not sure what you mean.  The only thing I can suggest
> >> >> > here is that
> >> >> perhaps you can work out which of the orthogonality conditions
> >> >> you're violating.  One of the ways to think about a failure of the
> >> >> Sargan-Hansen test is that your instruments are identifying
> >> >> "different betas", in the same way that a Hausman test gives you a
> >> >> big test stat when the two estimated betas are very different.  It
> >> >> might be worth comparing the results using the full set of IVs
> >> >> based on z1 and z2 and their interactions, the results using just
> >> >> z1 and its
> >> interactions, and the results using just z2 and its interactions.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> If my naïve assumptions were true, would it allow for a
> >> >> >> stricter testing procedure to use a different approach to the
> >> >> >> model
> >> specification?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In particular, instead of the setup as indicated by [2], I
> >> >> >> might be tempted to try a different approach, such as
> >> >> >> regressing “en” on all instruments (included exogenous controls
> >> >> >> as well as excluded
> >> >> >> instruments) to get predictions enhat and then forming
> >> >> >> interactions enhat_ex1, enhat_ex2, enhat_(ex1)^2,
> >> >> >> enhat_(ex2)^2, taking into account the incorrect standard
> >> >> >> errors. Would that seem
> >> likely to help?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This sounds an awful lot like the "Forbidden Regression".  (And
> >> >> > the name
> >> >> pretty much tells you how this is going to pan out.)  If you
> >> >> google that term you'll find it very quickly, or if you have
> >> >> Angrist and Pischke's "Mostly Harmless Econometrics" it's covered in
> there.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --Mark
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Again, thanks much in advance for anyone (putting my hopes on
> >> >> >> Mark
> >> >> >> here) providing useful advice!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Jason Wichert
> >> >> >> <jasonw8907@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Mark,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Again, thank you so much for your feedback.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > As regards the endogeneity tests, I’m actually using the
> >> >> >> > endog option in ivreg2. On a side note, thank you guys for
> >> >> >> > this excellent tool and the detailed explanations in the
> >> >> >> > articles/versions of 2003 and
> >> >> 2007.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > As regards your fourth point, concerning additional interactions:
> >> >> >> > in my case, ex1 and ex2 are distinct constructs, measures of
> >> >> >> > good
> >> >> >> > (ex1) and poor (ex2) company performance in a certain sense,
> >> >> >> > similar to Herzberg’s two-factor theory of motivators and
> >> >> >> > hygiene factors. They both have (different) non-linear
> >> >> >> > associations to my measure of financial performance (y),
> >> >> >> > which luckily has been largely established in empirical
> >> >> >> > research, as have the influences of both ex1 and ex2 on the
> >> >> >> > endogenous variable. Less established so far, however, is the
> >> >> >> > moderating effect of my endogenous variable on either link
> >> >> >> > between
> >> >> >> > ex1/ex2 and y. This moderating effect (at least according to
> >> >> >> > my humble analyses), which my research focuses on, differs
> >> >> >> > between the levels of
> >> >> >> > ex1 and ex2, as indicated by the significant interaction
> >> >> >> > terms of different sign between say ex1_en and (ex1)^2_en;
> >> >> >> > hence my interactions of the linear and quadratic terms of
> >> >> >> > both ex1 and
> >> >> >> > ex2 with en. Leaving ex2, en and controls aside, my results
> >> >> >> > indicate
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > y = 0.363 ex1 – 0.032 (ex1)^2 – 0.007 ex1_en + 0.001
> >> >> >> > (ex1)^2_en
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > With all coefficients highly significant, I interpret these
> >> >> >> > results as decreasing marginal returns to ex1 or an inverted
> >> >> >> > U-shaped relationship between ex1 and y with the inflection
> >> >> >> > point in the first quadrant. While the moderating effect of
> >> >> >> > en on ex1 is largely negative (as indicated by the negative
> >> >> >> > coefficient on ex1_en), this negative effect is attenuated
> >> >> >> > for high levels of ex1 (as indicated by the positive
> >> >> >> > coefficient on (ex1)^2_en). Unrelated to my initial
> >> >> >> > questions, does this
> >> interpretation seem to make sense?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > In various preliminary analyses, luckily(?!) I did not find
> >> >> >> > any non-linear associations between en and y, at the very
> >> >> >> > least saving me additional nightmares of the econometric and
> >> >> >> > economic
> >> kinds.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Kind regards,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Jason
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Schaffer, Mark E
> >> >> >> > <M.E.Schaffer@hw.ac.uk>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Jason,
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >>> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [mailto:owner-
> >> >> >> >>> statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Jason Wichert
> >> >> >> >>> Sent: 04 June 2013 12:47
> >> >> >> >>> To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> >> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: st: RE: Testing for instrument relevance and
> >> >> >> >>> overidentification when the endogeneous variable is used in
> >> >> >> >>> interaction terms
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Mark,
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Thank you very much for your feedback (and all the other
> >> >> >> >>> excellent comments on 2SLS you made on statalist). It's not
> >> >> >> >>> the usual regression 101, so it actually took me a couple
> >> >> >> >>> of days to work through all the respective IV statistics,
> >> >> >> >>> hence my late
> >> reply.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> My analyses start with just the one endogenous regressor
> >> >> >> >>> and are subsequently extended to incorporate the
> endogenous
> >> >> >> >>> interaction
> >> >> >> terms.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> In the base case of just that one endogenous variable, i.e.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>  ivreg2 y ex1 ex2 (en = z1 z2)
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> I intend to present the first stage F-statistics (to reject
> >> >> >> >>> weak identification of my endogenous variable), results
> >> >> >> >>> from the Sargan/Hansen overidentification test (to test
> >> >> >> >>> whether the instruments are jointly exogenous), as well as
> >> >> >> >>> a partial R² (to assess instrument relevance), and a
> >> >> >> >>> Hausman test for
> >> endogeneity.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> That sounds fine.  Two minor suggestions:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> 1.  The first-stage F stat makes the partial R-sq redundant.
> >> >> >> >> No need to
> >> >> >> report it or anything like it in the case of a single
> >> >> >> endogenous
> >> regressor.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> 2.  You can get ivreg2 to report an endogeneity test for you
> >> >> >> >> by using the
> >> >> >> endog option.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> In the extended case of (*gasp*)
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>  ivreg2 y ex1 ex2 (ex1)^2 (ex2)^2 (en ex1_en ex2_en
> >> >> >> >>> (ex1)^2_en (ex2)^2_en = z1 z2 ex1_z1 ex1_z2 (ex1)^2_z1
> >> >> >> >>> (ex1)^2_z2 ex2_z1
> >> >> >> >>> ex2_z2
> >> >> >> >>> (ex2)^2_z1 (ex2)^2_z2)
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> I intend to present results from the Sargan/Hansen
> >> >> >> >>> overidentification test, results from the Anderson/Rubin
> >> >> >> >>> (1949) [or potentially Stock/Wright (2000)] test to
> >> >> >> >>> indicate that all the endogenous regressors are jointly
> >> >> >> >>> significant in the second stage, the Kleibergen/Paap (2006)
> >> >> >> >>> statistic of underidentification of the model (i.e. the
> >> >> >> >>> joint endogenous
> >> >> >> >>> regressors) , the Cragg/Donald
> >> >> >> >>> (1993) statistic of weak identification of the model, the
> >> >> >> >>> Angrist/Pischke
> >> >> >> >>> (2009) statistics for identification of each of the
> >> >> >> >>> endogenous regressors, as well as a Hausman test for
> endogeneity.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Is there something blatant obvious I’m missing or anything
> >> >> >> >>> I could well leave out, particularly in the extended case?
> >> >> >> >>> In particular I’m wondering about
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> a) the necessity of the A/R-test, considering most all of
> >> >> >> >>> my endogenous variables are highly significant in the
> >> >> >> >>> second stage, as indicated by their respective t- and
> >> >> >> >>> p-values,
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> b) the necessity of presenting both K/P as well as C/D
> >> >> >> >>> statistics,
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> c) the necessity of the Hausman test in the extended case.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Again, thank you very much in advance for your feedback!
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Let's see...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> 1.  The K-P test for underidentification is reported by
> >> >> >> >> ivreg2 mostly for
> >> >> >> completeness.  If you reject weak identification based on C-D,
> >> >> >> you are also rejecting underidentification.  So you could omit K-P.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> 2.  Most people probably wouldn't report the A-R test unless
> >> >> >> >> there were
> >> >> >> signs of weak identification (in which case they might consider
> >> >> >> using
> >> >> >> weak- instrument-robust methods, e.g., rivtest).
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> 3.  On Hausman, sample point above applies - you can get
> >> >> >> >> ivreg2 to report
> >> >> >> the endog test by using the endog option.  Maybe you have
> >> >> >> priors about whether one or a subset of your endogenous
> >> >> >> regressors should be tested rather than the whole lot at once.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> 4.  You didn't ask about this but worth mentioning anyway -
> >> >> >> >> when people
> >> >> >> introduce quadratics in the way you are doing, they often
> >> >> >> include the interactions.  In your case that means the
> >> >> >> interaction of ex1 and ex2 and similarly for the other
> >> >> >> regressors and instruments (and if you were really serious
> >> >> >> about it, you'd probably interact the endogenous and exogenous
> >> >> >> regressors too).  The slightly hand-wavey justification would be a
> Taylor approximation.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> HTH,
> >> >> >> >> Mark
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Schaffer, Mark E
> >> >> >> >>> <M.E.Schaffer@hw.ac.uk>
> >> >> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> > Jason,
> >> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >> >>> > I think the key point is that in your estimation
> >> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >> >>> > ivreg2 y ex (en en_ex = z ex_z)
> >> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >> >>> > just looking at the two standard first-stage F stats isn't
> enough.
> >> >> >> >>> > You can
> >> >> >> >>> easily get 2 large first-stage F stats, and yet the model
> >> >> >> >>> is underidentified because there isn't enough information
> >> >> >> >>> in your instruments to simultaneously identify the coeffs
> >> >> >> >>> on both your
> >> >> >> endogenous regressors.
> >> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >> >>> > To see if both coeffs are identified, you should use
> >> >> >> >>> > either the
> >> >> >> >>> > weak- or the
> >> >> >> >>> under-identification statistic reported by ivreg2.  You can
> >> >> >> >>> also use the Angrist-Pischke (A-P) first-stage F stats to
> >> >> >> >>> see whether one or the other coeffs is identified.  More
> >> >> >> >>> details about these in the
> >> >> >> >>> ivreg2 help file and the references therein.
> >> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >> >>> > HTH,
> >> >> >> >>> > Mark
> >> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >>> >> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> >> >> >> >>> >> [mailto:owner- statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf
> >> >> >> >>> >> Of Jason Wichert
> >> >> >> >>> >> Sent: 29 May 2013 21:18
> >> >> >> >>> >> To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> >> >> >> >>> >> Subject: st: Testing for instrument relevance and
> >> >> >> >>> >> overidentification when the endogeneous variable is used
> >> >> >> >>> >> in interaction terms
> >> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> Dear Statalisters,
> >> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> I have encountered some difficulties concerning 2SLS
> >> >> >> >>> >> estimation when the endogeneous variable is also used to
> >> >> >> >>> >> construct interaction
> >> >> >> terms.
> >> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> After digging through the archives, I found a lot of
> >> >> >> >>> >> helpful comments concerning the procedure:
> >> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> http://www.stata.com/statalist/archive/2012-
> >> 05/msg00970.htm
> >> >> >> >>> >> l
> >> >> >> >>> >> http://www.stata.com/statalist/archive/2011-
> >> 08/msg01485.htm
> >> >> >> >>> >> l
> >> >> >> >>> >> http://www.stata.com/statalist/archive/2011-
> >> 12/msg00705.htm
> >> >> >> >>> >> l
> >> >> >> >>> >> http://www.stata.com/statalist/archive/2010-
> >> 04/msg00759.htm
> >> >> >> >>> >> l
> >> >> >> >>> >> http://www.stata.com/statalist/archive/2005-
> >> 05/msg00150.htm
> >> >> >> >>> >> l
> >> >> >> >>> >> http://www.stata.com/statalist/archive/2008-
> >> 10/msg01009.htm
> >> >> >> >>> >> l
> >> >> >> >>> >> http://www.stata.com/statalist/archive/2004-
> >> 08/msg00779.htm
> >> >> >> >>> >> l
> >> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> Following this advice, I am running an equation of the
> >> >> >> >>> >> basic form
> >> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> ivreg2 y ex (en en_ex = z ex_z)
> >> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> In my case, there are two exogeneous variables
> >> >> >> >>> >> interacted with the endogeneous variable. Furthermore, I
> >> >> >> >>> >> need interactions of those squared exogeneous variables
> >> >> >> >>> >> and the endogeneous
> >> >> variables.
> >> >> >> >>> >> Leaving additional control variables and further
> >> >> >> >>> >> instruments aside, this already leads to the following
> >> >> >> >>> >> simplified
> >> regression:
> >> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> ivreg2 y ex1 ex2 (en ex1_en ex2_en (ex1)^2_en (ex2)^2_en
> >> >> >> >>> >> = z ex1_z ex2_z (ex1)^2_z (ex2)^2_z)
> >> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> So far, so good. However, I’m not sure as to how exactly
> >> >> >> >>> >> examine instrument relevance and exogeneity, and which
> >> >> >> >>> >> statistics/tests to
> >> >> >> report.
> >> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> As regards instrument relevance, as to be assessed by
> >> >> >> >>> >> the first stage F statistic, the F-statistics on “en”
> >> >> >> >>> >> clearly differ depending on whether I instrument solely
> >> >> >> >>> >> for “en”, or whether I also instrument for the linear
> >> >> >> >>> >> and non-linear interaction terms built
> >> >> >> around “en”.
> >> >> >> >>> >> Which F statistic is the correct one to refer to?
> >> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> Considering I have multiple instruments Z, I am also not
> >> >> >> >>> >> sure which overidentification tests and results I should
> >> >> >> >>> >> rely on and report.  As holds for the F statistics, the
> >> >> >> >>> >> tests of overidentifying restrictions (Sargan N*R-sq
> >> >> >> >>> >> test as well as Basmann test) provided by both ivreg2
> >> >> >> >>> >> and overid differ between instrumenting solely “en” or
> >> >> >> >>> >> also for the
> >> >> >> >>> interaction terms build around “en”.
> >> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> Any help is greatly appreciated!
> >> >> >> >>> >> Jason
> >> >> >> >>> >>
> >> >> >> >>> >> *
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> >> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >> >>> >
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