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# st: RE: RE: RE: RE: how many d.f. in the vcv for the within estimator?

 From "Impavido, Gregorio" To "statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu" Subject st: RE: RE: RE: RE: how many d.f. in the vcv for the within estimator? Date Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:50:58 -0500

```Mark. Thank you. Your hand-wavey approach made the trick: you should not get uneasy.

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From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Schaffer, Mark E
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:50 AM
To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
Subject: st: RE: RE: RE: how many d.f. in the vcv for the within estimator?

Gregorio,

One way to think about it is via the underlying asymptotics in a large-sample setting.

If you regard the number of individual effects N as fixed and
T->infnity, then you would be right to say that (ignoring the constant)
you could indeed use (N*T-k) = T*[N-k/T] as the degrees of freedom.  If it's T that is going off to infinity, then asymptotically there's no difference between this and the textbook N*(T-1)-k = T*[N-1/T-k/T].  In both cases the 1/T terms disappear as T gets large, and you're left with N*T.  Or, put another way, the ratio (N*T-k)/[N*(T-1)-k] goes to 1 as
T->infinity.

But if it's N that is going off to infinity, then the number of individual effects is also going off to infinity.  In that case the two expressions are not equivalent asymptotically, because N*(T-1)-k will always be lagging behind N*T-k, even asymptotically.  That is, the ratio (N*T-k)/[N*(T-1)-k] goes to T/(T-1) as N->infinity.  If T is small, this ratio will be very different from 1.  So you need to incorporate this in how the error variance is calculated.

I hope this makes sense.  I get uneasy when I make these hand-wavey asymptotic arguments....

HTH,
Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Impavido,
> Gregorio
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 1:49 PM
> To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> Subject: st: RE: RE: how many d.f. in the vcv for the within
> estimator?
>
> Mark, thank you.  I do not have your text at hand but so does Baltagi
> "Econometric Analysis of Panel Data" fourth edition page 16. I am not
> disputing the point.  I was trying to understand the rationale. I
> would have thought that the Q transform is not simply a computational
> expedient but a way to improve efficiency re LSDV.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Schaffer,
> Mark E
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:55 PM
> To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> Subject: st: RE: how many d.f. in the vcv for the within estimator?
>
> Gregorio,
>
> The classical VCV does indeed need to incorporate the dof adjustment
> associated with the N individual effects.  See e.g. Hayashi's
> Econometrics p. 334 (the textbook I have at hand - you can find it in
> other texts as well).
>
> HTH,
> Mark
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [mailto:owner-
> > statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Impavido, Gregorio
> > Sent: 12 December 2012 00:41
> > To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> > Subject: st: how many d.f. in the vcv for the within estimator?
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I am trying to replicate the result of -xtreg, fe- in mata.
> Given that
> the
> > individual effects are not estimated after the within transform,
> shouldn't the
> > degrees of freedom used for the estimate of the variance of the
> residuals be
> > (N*T-k-1) instead of N*(T-1)-k (where N=number of panels,
> > T=periods,k=number of regressors)?  I have added the intercept = the
> meant
> > of the dep variable as in STATA manual.
> >
> > I paste the code used below which reproduces the results after if
> force df_r=
> > N*(T-1)-k.  Any suggestion would be welcome.
> >
> > With kind regards
> > Gregorio
> > ==================
> > * this do file reproduces the results of -xtreg, fe- using mata
> > * it works only with balanced panels
> > * For corrections and suggestions, Gregorio Impavido
> (gimpavido@imf.org)
> > **********************************************************
> > *********************
> > ************************************ START
> > ************************************
> > **********************************************************
> > *********************
> > use "http://www.stata-press.com/data/r9/grunfeld.dta ",
> clear rename
> > invest I rename mvalue F rename kstock C sort company time
> > gen touse=(I!=. & F!=. & C!=.)      // ignore eventual missing obs
> >
> > * example of panel within estimator
> > mata:
> > mata clear                          // clear the workspace
> >
> > T = 20                              // Number of observations per
> groups
> > N = 10                              // Number of groups
> >
> > Z = st_data(.,("F","C"),"touse")    // (NTxk) matrix of regressors
> > Y = st_data(.,("I"),"touse")        // (NTx1) vector of dep var
> > i = J(rows(Z),1,1)                  // (NTx1) vector of
> ones, declare
> a
> > X = Z,i
> > it = J(T,1,1)                       // (Tx1) vector of
> ones, declare a
> > in = J(N,1,1)                       // (Tx1) vector of
> ones, declare a
> > B = pinv(T)*I(N)#(it*it')           // (NTxNT) between-individual
> operator
> > Bbar = pinv(N)*(in*in')#I(T)        // (NTxNT) between-individual
> operator
> > Q = I(N*T)-B                        // (NTxNT) Q within transform
> > * Qbar = I(N*T)-Bbar                  // (NTxNT) Qbar within period
> operator
> > Ybar = B*Bbar*Y                     // (NTx1) vector of mean dep var
> > Zbar = B*Bbar*Z                     // (NTxk) matrix of
> mean regressor
> var
> > Ytilda = Q*Y + Ybar                 // added overall mean
> > Ztilda = Q*Z + Zbar                 // added overall mean
> > Xtilda = Ztilda,i                   // (NTxk+1) add column of 1s
> (intercept)
> > b_fe = pinv(Xtilda'Xtilda)*Xtilda'*Ytilda	// (k+1x1) vector of
> beta hat
> > k = cols(Z)                         // (1x1) No of regressors
> > u = (Ytilda-Xtilda*b_fe)            // (NTx1) uhat, fitted residuals
> > df_r = (N*(T-1)-k)                  // (1x1) residual d.f.
> (shouldn't
> be NT-k-1??)
> > rss = (u'*u)                        // (1x1) unrestricted
> residual sum
> of squares
> > mse = rss/df_r                      // (1x1) mean squared error
> > vcv = mse*pinv(Xtilda'Xtilda)       // (NTxk+1) VCOV matrix
> > se = sqrt(diagonal(vcv))            // (k+1x1) vector of s.e. of the
> beta hat
> > t = b_fe:/se                        // (k+1x1) vector of t
> statistics
> > pt = 2*ttail(df_r,abs(t))           // (k+1x1) vector of pvalues
> > crit = invttail(df_r,0.025)         // (k+1x1) bhat~T(df_r)(b,V(b))
> > cil = b_fe-crit*se                  // (k+1x1) vector of low CI
> > cih = b_fe+crit*se                  // (k+1x1) vector of high CI
> >
> > b_fe, se, t, pt, cil, cih
> >
> > end
> > xtset company time
> > xtreg I F C, fe                     // to cross check
> > **********************************************************
> > *********************
> > ************************************* END
> > *************************************
> > **********************************************************
> > *********************
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