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RE: st: RE: ml and parmby versus statsby


From   "S. Suetens" <S.Suetens@uvt.nl>
To   "statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu" <statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu>
Subject   RE: st: RE: ml and parmby versus statsby
Date   Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:02:27 +0000

I tried to recover the problem but the -parmby- command indeed does not run with the -quietly- option. I must have compared an older output table (not replaced by a new one after running -parmby- with the -quietly- option) with results from -statsby-.
My apologies for the confusion.

Best regards
Sigrid

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Roger B. Newson
Sent: woensdag 12 december 2012 20:27
To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: st: RE: ml and parmby versus statsby

My version of -parmby- has the same date as Nick's, and does not allow a
-quietly- option, at least under my Stata/MP Version 12, which is fully up to date and dated 22 Oct 2012 according to -update query-. So I would guess that S. Suetens has reported a slightly garbled version of the
-parmby- command used.

Best wishes

Roger

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On 12/12/2012 18:05, Nick Cox wrote:
> We can be pleased that you no longer see a problem, but what happened 
> remains mysterious.
>
> 1. -parmby- permits other options but these are in turn (if I follow 
> Roger's code correctly) passed to -parmest-, which does not in fact 
> allow a -quietly- option. So why your earlier code ran at all is a 
> puzzle.
>
> 2. In general, the effect of a -quietly- option in Stata would be that 
> something is done "quietly", although that's a convention, not a rule.
> If so, results should be exactly as they were before, not different.
>
> I spell out here, as we are all asked to do, that -parmby- is a 
> user-written command. I looked at -parmby-  from SSC and -which- tells 
> me
>
> *! Author: Roger Newson
> *! Date: 02 September 2009
>
> Nick
>
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 5:41 PM, S. Suetens <S.Suetens@uvt.nl> wrote:
>
>> This is very helpful.
>> I re-ran the parmby command, but without including the quietly option, and estimation results are the same now as those under statsby.
>
> Roger B. Newson
>
>> I don't know how your -statsby- and -parmby- results are different, as you haven't told us. However, -statsby- creates a  dataset with 1 observation per by-group, and different variables for the estimates and standard errors for different parameters. -parmby-, on the other hand, creates a dataset with 1 observation per parameter per by-group, with 1 variable for the estimate and 1 variable for the standard error, and other variables for the confidence limits and P-values.
>>
>> I am a bit mystified about the -quietly- option for -parmby-. As the author of -parmby-, I never knew that -parmby- had a -quietly- option, although it can take the -quietly- prefix like other Stata commands.
>
> On 12/12/2012 15:52, S. Suetens wrote:
>
>>> Is there anyone who can explain why maximum likelihood estimation gives different results under parmby as compared to statsby?
>>> I have run the two commands below (based on the same likelihood function) and they give very different parameter estimates and standard errors.
>>>
>>> statsby _b _se, by(id) saving("D:\Statsby.dta", replace) nodots: ml 
>>> model lf MaxLik (lambda: strategy =) (rhosigma: RHO SIGMA, nocons), 
>>> max difficult
>>>
>>> parmby "ml model lf MaxLik (lambda: strategy =) (rhosigma: RHO 
>>> SIGMA, nocons), max difficult", by(id) saving("D:\Parmby.dta", 
>>> replace) quietly
>
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