Notice: On March 31, it was **announced** that Statalist is moving from an email list to a **forum**. The old list will shut down on April 23, and its replacement, **statalist.org** is already up and running.

[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

From |
"Michael N. Mitchell" <Michael.Norman.Mitchell@gmail.com> |

To |
statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu |

Subject |
Re: st: regress with vce(robust) and hascons |

Date |
Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:06:09 -0800 |

Dear Jeff

------- SNIP ------ . *** WITHOUT -vce(robust)- . quietly regress price ibn.foreign, nocons . di e(df_m) 2 . quietly regress price ibn.foreign, hascons . di e(df_m) 1 ------- SNIP ------

------- SNIP ------ . *** WITH -vce(robust)- . quietly regress price ibn.foreign, nocons vce(robust) . di e(df_m) 2 . quietly regress price ibn.foreign, hascons vce(robust) . di e(df_m) 2 ------- SNIP ------ Many thanks, Michael N. Mitchell Data Management Using Stata - http://www.stata.com/bookstore/dmus.html A Visual Guide to Stata Graphics - http://www.stata.com/bookstore/vgsg.html Stata tidbit of the week - http://www.MichaelNormanMitchell.com On 2010-12-13 9.21 AM, Jeff Pitblado, StataCorp LP wrote:

Michael N. Mitchell<Michael.Norman.Mitchell@gmail.com> is using the -hascons- option with -regress, vce(robust)- and noticed the model F statistic has a different interpretation than the one for -regress- without the -vce(robust)- option:I am puzzled by the behavior of Stata when I include the -vce(robust)- option along with the -hascons- option. Consider the example below in which I estimate a model predicting -price- from -foreign- but do so using a cell means model by specifying ibn.foreign and thus include the -hascons- option. I further want robust standard errors so specify the -vce(robust)- option.. sysuse auto, clear (1978 Automobile Data) . regress price ibn.foreign, vce(robust) hascons Linear regression Number of obs = 74 F( 2, 72) = 165.64 Prob> F = 0.0000 R-squared = 0.0024 Root MSE = 2966.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Robust price | Coef. Std. Err. t P>|t| [95% Conf. Interval] -------------+---------------------------------------------------------------- foreign | 0 | 6072.423 431.2084 14.08 0.000 5212.825 6932.021 1 | 6384.682 553.6754 11.53 0.000 5280.95 7488.413 | _cons | (omitted) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------The omnibus F test shows 2 degrees of freedom, but I only expected 1 df. The omnibus F test appears to be testing the joint hypothesis that each of the cell means is 0 (see below).. test 0.foreign 1.foreign ( 1) 0bn.foreign = 0 ( 2) 1.foreign = 0 F( 2, 72) = 165.64 Prob> F = 0.0000But because I specified -hascons- I expect it to test the equality of the cell means. This is the case when I omit the -vce(robust)-, as shown below.. regress price ibn.foreign, hascons Source | SS df MS Number of obs = 74 -------------+------------------------------ F( 1, 72) = 0.17 Model | 1507382.66 1 1507382.66 Prob> F = 0.6802 Residual | 633558013 72 8799416.85 R-squared = 0.0024 -------------+------------------------------ Adj R-squared = -0.0115 Total | 635065396 73 8699525.97 Root MSE = 2966.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ price | Coef. Std. Err. t P>|t| [95% Conf. Interval] -------------+---------------------------------------------------------------- foreign | 0 | 6072.423 411.363 14.76 0.000 5252.386 6892.46 1 | 6384.682 632.4346 10.10 0.000 5123.947 7645.417 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------In this case, the omnibus F test matches the test of the equality of the cell means.. test 0.foreign = 1.foreign ( 1) 0bn.foreign - 1.foreign = 0 F( 1, 72) = 0.17 Prob> F = 0.6802Perhaps someone can help me understand where I am askew in my thinking about this.Short reply: There is no bug in the value of the F statistic when the -vce(robust)- option is used with the -hascons- option. The -vce(robust)- causes -regress- to perform all inference based on the linearized variance estimator instead of using the reduction in error sum of squares. We did notice that -regress, hascons vce(robust)- reports an '(omitted)' intercept when it shouldn't. This will be fixed in the next executable update. Long reply: Let's look at the model F statistic that -regress- reports. First let's fit a simple linear regression of 'price' on the 'foreign' factor variable: ***** BEGIN: . regress price i.foreign Source | SS df MS Number of obs = 74 -------------+------------------------------ F( 1, 72) = 0.17 Model | 1507382.66 1 1507382.66 Prob> F = 0.6802 Residual | 633558013 72 8799416.85 R-squared = 0.0024 -------------+------------------------------ Adj R-squared = -0.0115 Total | 635065396 73 8699525.97 Root MSE = 2966.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ price | Coef. Std. Err. t P>|t| [95% Conf. Interval] -------------+---------------------------------------------------------------- 1.foreign | 312.2587 754.4488 0.41 0.680 -1191.708 1816.225 _cons | 6072.423 411.363 14.76 0.000 5252.386 6892.46 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ***** END: The model F statistic is 0.17. This value is a function of the reduction in the error sum of squares, and is the ratio of the model mean squares over the error mean squares. ***** BEGIN: . di "MS(model) = " e(mss)/e(df_m) MS(model) = 1507382.7 . di "MS(error) = " e(rmse)^2 MS(error) = 8799416.9 . di (e(mss)/e(df_m))/e(rmse)^2 .17130484 ***** END: We can also compute this value by performing a Wald test on all the coefficients in the model (excluding the intercept), with the Null hypothesis that they are all equal to zero: ***** BEGIN: . test [#1] ( 1) 0b.foreign = 0 ( 2) 1.foreign = 0 Constraint 1 dropped F( 1, 72) = 0.17 Prob> F = 0.6802 ***** END: We see that the ANOVA style F statistic (based on the ratio of mean squres) is computationally equivalent to the Wald F statistic. For this particular model, the above Null hypothesis also implies that the expected value of 'price' for Foreign cars is equal to the expected value of 'price' for Domestic. Now let's refit our model with the -noconstant- option, we'll also use the -bn- operator on 'foreign' to prevent Stata from omitting a base level. ***** BEGIN: . regress price bn.foreign, nocons Source | SS df MS Number of obs = 74 -------------+------------------------------ F( 2, 72) = 159.91 Model | 2.8143e+09 2 1.4071e+09 Prob> F = 0.0000 Residual | 633558013 72 8799416.85 R-squared = 0.8162 -------------+------------------------------ Adj R-squared = 0.8111 Total | 3.4478e+09 74 46592355.7 Root MSE = 2966.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ price | Coef. Std. Err. t P>|t| [95% Conf. Interval] -------------+---------------------------------------------------------------- foreign | 0 | 6072.423 411.363 14.76 0.000 5252.386 6892.46 1 | 6384.682 632.4346 10.10 0.000 5123.947 7645.417 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ***** END: Notice that the value and degrees of freedom for the model F statistic has changed; so have the sum of squares for the model. Here we reproduce the mean squares and model F stiatistic for this model: ***** BEGIN: . di "MS(model) = " e(mss)/e(df_m) MS(model) = 1.407e+09 . di "MS(error) = " e(rmse)^2 MS(error) = 8799416.9 . di (e(mss)/2)/e(rmse)^2 159.91266 ***** END: Here is the equivalent Wald test: ***** BEGIN: . test [#1] ( 1) 0bn.foreign = 0 ( 2) 1.foreign = 0 F( 2, 72) = 159.91 Prob> F = 0.0000 ***** END: It is now clear that the Null hypothesis for this model F statistic is not the same as our previous model. Here the Null hypothesis is that 'price' has an expected value of zero. Now let's refit Michael's -hascons- model, without the -vce(robust)- option: ***** BEGIN: . regress price bn.foreign, hascons Source | SS df MS Number of obs = 74 -------------+------------------------------ F( 1, 72) = 0.17 Model | 1507382.66 1 1507382.66 Prob> F = 0.6802 Residual | 633558013 72 8799416.85 R-squared = 0.0024 -------------+------------------------------ Adj R-squared = -0.0115 Total | 635065396 73 8699525.97 Root MSE = 2966.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ price | Coef. Std. Err. t P>|t| [95% Conf. Interval] -------------+---------------------------------------------------------------- foreign | 0 | 6072.423 411.363 14.76 0.000 5252.386 6892.46 1 | 6384.682 632.4346 10.10 0.000 5123.947 7645.417 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ***** END: Again, the model F statistic is derived from a reduction in the error sum of squares. The -hascons- option implies that there is a constant in the model, thus the model F statistic will test against the mean-only model like we did in our first model fit. Here is the F statistic computed using the mean squares: ***** BEGIN: . di "MS(model) = " e(mss)/e(df_m) MS(model) = 1507382.7 . di "MS(error) = " e(rmse)^2 MS(error) = 8799416.9 . di e(mss)/e(rmse)^2 .17130484 ***** END: And here is the F statistic from the Wald test: ***** BEGIN: . test [#1] ( 1) 0bn.foreign = 0 ( 2) 1.foreign = 0 F( 2, 72) = 159.91 Prob> F = 0.0000 ***** END: Notice that, given our current model fit, the Null hypothesis for this Wald test is that the expected value of 'price' is zero. This is not the same as the Null for the reported model F statistic in the -hascons- model. Now consider refitting this model with robust/linearized variance estimates (VCE). Using the -vce(robust)- option causes -regress- to perform all inference using the linearized VCE. The analog/equivalence between the Wald F statistic and ANOVA style F statistic breaks down in this case. With -vce(robust)-, -regress- is forced to use the Wald F statistic; there is no equivalent linearized version of the F statistic formed from the ratio of mean squares. Here is the -hascons- model fit with linearized VCE: ***** BEGIN: . regress price bn.foreign, hascons vce(robust) Linear regression Number of obs = 74 F( 2, 72) = 165.64 Prob> F = 0.0000 R-squared = 0.0024 Root MSE = 2966.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Robust price | Coef. Std. Err. t P>|t| [95% Conf. Interval] -------------+---------------------------------------------------------------- foreign | 0 | 6072.423 431.2084 14.08 0.000 5212.825 6932.021 1 | 6384.682 553.6754 11.53 0.000 5280.95 7488.413 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ***** END: Notice that -regress- doesn't even report the ANOVA table when -vce(robust)- is speicifed. We can still compute the means squares from -regress-'s -e()- results: ***** BEGIN: . di "MS(model) = " e(mss)/e(df_m) MS(model) = 753691.33 . di "MS(error) = " e(rmse)^2 MS(error) = 8799416.9 . di e(mss)/e(rmse)^2 .17130484 ***** END: However -vce(robust)- prevents us from using them to make inferences. Here we show that the model F statistic reported by -regress, vce(robust)- comes from the Wald test on the model coefficients. ***** BEGIN: . test [#1] ( 1) 0bn.foreign = 0 ( 2) 1.foreign = 0 F( 2, 72) = 165.64 Prob> F = 0.0000 ***** END: --Jeff jpitblado@stata.com * * For searches and help try: * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/

* * For searches and help try: * http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/

**References**:**Re: st: regress with vce(robust) and hascons***From:*jpitblado@stata.com (Jeff Pitblado, StataCorp LP)

- Prev by Date:
**st: RE: RE: reliability with ordinal data-Kendall's w?** - Next by Date:
**st: RE: How easy to get caught by rounding error** - Previous by thread:
**st: COURSE: Microeconometris using Stata** - Next by thread:
**Re: st: regress with vce(robust) and hascons** - Index(es):