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RE: st: Survival analysis question


From   "Feiveson, Alan H. (JSC-SK311)" <[email protected]>
To   "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject   RE: st: Survival analysis question
Date   Wed, 3 Nov 2010 15:19:27 -0500

Steve - I think there is a communication problem here. The event is a subject reaching a state of presyncopy during an upright tilt. Subjects are given the tilt test with Treatment 1 ("pre"), then one week later they are given the test with Treatment 2 ("post"). Subjects aren't at risk during the week in between because they aren't doing the tilt test. But I see there is no way you would know this from the data alone. Therefore I would like to claim that in effect "times" can be considered as building up consecutively. Does this make sense?

Al





Subject 1 - 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steven Samuels
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 2:40 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: st: Survival analysis question

--


Al,

I don't think that the two times are consecutive: they are recorded as  
seconds, but the the two observations on each subject were separated  
by a week.

Steve

On Nov 3, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Feiveson, Alan H. (JSC-SK311) wrote:

Steve - In my opinion this is multiple failure data. Each subject is  
subjected to two consecutive exposures, and a subject can "fail" on  
none, either, or both of these tests. So the variable ttrxt at a given  
observation is the total time that the particular subject has been at  
risk up through that observation. Therefore I think the stset command

. stset ttrxt, id(id) failure(fail) exit(time .)

                id:  id
     failure event:  fail != 0 & fail < .
obs. time interval:  (ttrxt[_n-1], ttrxt]
exit on or before:  time .

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
       16  total obs.
        0  exclusions
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
       16  obs. remaining, representing
        8  subjects
       13  failures in multiple failure-per-subject data
     5607  total analysis time at risk, at risk from t =         0
                             earliest observed entry t =         0
                                  last observed exit t =      1198

is correct. I agree that ideally, one should try a frailty model on  
this data, but it doesn't work well with only 8 subjects.

Al Feiveson




-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] 
] On Behalf Of Steven Samuels
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 12:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: st: Survival analysis question


Chris Westby:


You don't have multiple-failure data, because the start time for the
two tests should be zero. The correct statement is:

stset t, failure(fail)

This will change the -stcox- results as well. Also try -stsum,
by(treatment)- after the two versions of -stset--.  I suggest that you
consider the -shared-  option in -stcox- to allow for the possibility
of person-specific baseline hazards. Note that eight subjects is
probably not enough for the standard errors to be reliable.


Steve

Steven J. Samuels
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On Nov 3, 2010, at 8:35 AM, Westby, Christian Michael. (JSC-SK)[USRA]
wrote:

Dear Statalisters,

I am working on comparing survival times in one group of subjects
before and after treatment and am having a hard time with the "stset"
code.


Using the following data set where testing was separated by 1 week, t
is time of task before and after treatment (seconds) and ttrxt is time
calculated to prevent time from being treated as continuous and fail
is 0=completed, 1=not completed.



subjectid	treatment	fail			t	ttrxt
-----------------------------------------------------------------
1		pre		failed		169	169
1		post		failed		141	310
2		pre		failed		114	114
2		post		failed		84	198
3		pre		failed		564	564
3		post		failed		296	860
4		pre		failed		168	168
4		post		failed		332	500
5		pre		failed		215	215
5		post		failed		50	265
6		pre		completed		900	900
6		post		failed		196	1096
7		pre		completed		900	900
7		post		failed		298	1198
8		pre		completed		900	900
8		post		failed		280	1180
-----------------------------------------------------------------


I used


. stset ttrxt, id(subjectid) failure(fail) exit(time .)


id:  subjectid
failure event:  fail != 0 & fail < .
obs. time interval:  (ttrxt[_n-1], ttrxt]  exit on or before:  time .

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
       16  total obs.
        0  exclusions
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
       16  obs. remaining, representing
        8  subjects
       13  failures in multiple failure-per-subject data
     5607  total analysis time at risk, at risk from t =         0
                             earliest observed entry t =         0
                                  last observed exit t =      1198


I then ran


. stcox treatment, cluster(subjectid)

         failure _d:  fail
   analysis time _t:  ttrxt
  exit on or before:  time .
                 id:  subjectid

Iteration 0:   log pseudolikelihood = -20.175132
Iteration 1:   log pseudolikelihood = -18.079165
Iteration 2:   log pseudolikelihood = -18.026011
Iteration 3:   log pseudolikelihood = -18.025935
Refining estimates:
Iteration 0:   log pseudolikelihood = -18.025935

Cox regression -- no ties

No. of subjects      =            8                Number of obs
=        16
No. of failures      =           13
Time at risk         =         5607
                                                   Wald chi2(1)
=      4.22
Log pseudolikelihood =   -18.025935                Prob > chi2
=    0.0399

                              (Std. Err. adjusted for 8 clusters in
subjectid)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
             |               Robust
          _t | Haz. Ratio   Std. Err.      z    P>|z|     [95% Conf.
Interval]
-------------+----------------------------------------------------------
-------------+------
   treatment |   4.610013   3.428317     2.05   0.040     1.073226
19.80218
------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I believe that the output and results are accurate however, I am
unable to get Stata to correctly graph the survival curves using the
following code



. stcurv, surv at1(treatment=0) at2(treatment=1)


the resulting graph incorrectly plots both groups starting at less
than 100% at a time=0 and the x-axis scale is incorrect.


Any thoughts?



Chris


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