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# Re: st: Right skewed (positive) dependent variable

 From SURYADIPTA ROY To statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu Subject Re: st: Right skewed (positive) dependent variable Date Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:02:30 -0400

Maarten,
You are right- there is a huge amount of clustering of data very close
to 0 (but not equal to 0). For the different dependent variables, the
skewness range from 4.20 - 5.42. I believe that one motivation of my
using log(1+oldvar) transformation initially was to avoid any missing
value problem. Incidentally, for regressions with transformed dep.
variables after -ladder- , the rvfplots yielded very nice plots with
the residuals scattered nicely around the 0-line. I believe that is
what we are really after, and not the normality of the dependent
variable? Anyway, I am studying -glm- very carefully for
implementation.

Thanks to all of you for very helpful discussions and suggestions!

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Maarten buis <maartenbuis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> --- On Thu, 10/6/10, SURYADIPTA ROY wrote:
>> However, as I look at my program now, I discover
>> the source of the anomaly- my transformatrion
>> was newvar=ln(1+oldvar).. that explains.
>
> Are there 0s in your dependent variable (oldvar)?
> If there are, then you really have no choice other
> than go the -glm- route. There are ways of getting
> a meaningfull interpretation out of a log transformed
> dependent variable, but no such way exists for the
> transformation log(oldvar + some constant), and
> leaving the constant out is no sollution either, as
> that means that he 0s will be recoded to missing
> values. This may also explain your non-normality:
> is there a spike at 0. If that is the case, than
> there can be no transformation that will lead to
> a normal distribution. In that case you could
> consider modeling the zero separately using -zip-.
> It is usually used for counts, but can also be
> used for continuous variables in a Quasi-likelihood
> kind of way, by specifying the -robust- option.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Maarten
>
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