Roy,
I don't think I do what you accuse me of. Off the list is fine sir.
Ashim
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:34 AM, Roy Wada <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Ashim,
>
> Let's take this off the list then. David was implying that it
> was your for-profit actions that was causing the problem.
>
> It's not. It's your habit of not asking the real question from
> the beginning, and then go on to question other people's motive.
>
> That's always bad.
>
> Roy
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:13:14 +0530
>> From: [email protected]
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: st: RE: saving local macros
>>
>> Hello Roy,
>>
>> I thought this thread was behind me, but now I think I should speak.
>> Tell me something, if you have a Stata Question in your head, simple
>> question, do you go into the ENTIRE HISTORY of how that question is
>> born and tell the WHOLE STORY FROM THE beginning or do you only ask
>> your QUESTION.
>>
>> I think my stata question is how do i save my macros. I need it ALL
>> the time. ALL the time. I have thought about it since 6 months ago
>> since when i was introduced to stata.
>>
>> On the issue that I was "hiding " , what is your profession mate ? How
>> do you know I like your profession ? Do you tell me your profession
>> and let me decide that I like you before you post your question so I
>> can make that choice?
>>
>> I come here to discuss stata, and only stata. If certain professions
>> are frowned upon I should have been told this before I even BOUGHT
>> stata. That's fair right ?? Right ?
>>
>> And was I hiding ? In my conversations with some people on this list I
>> told them EXACTLY what I did, that is how David Elliot knew I worked
>> for the stock market. I had no intention of hiding that. Man this
>> email was really offensive, sorry sir I did not like this email.
>>
>> Ashim.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Roy Wada wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The fact that Ashim has proprietary code upstream of the section of
>>>> interest is an absolute red herring, in my opinion.... Because Ashim
>>>> works in a for-profit environment are his requests for help somehow
>>>> tainted?.... In each case, however, we are all working with Stata
>>>> for some form of personal gain, we are working for someone, even if
>>>> that someone is effectively ourselves. I can't see how that concept
>>>> is offensive.
>>>
>>> The argument that for-profit activity should be treated in the same
>>> manner as non-profit is weak. People who volunteer for their church
>>> would not give away their time to a Wall Street firm. The idea that
>>> the two activites are the same would be offensive to a great many
>>> people.
>>>
>>> The product of academia will reach the public domain, eventually.
>>> The failure to do so will get punished (publish or perish!). A
>>> proprietary code will not. It's the otherway around. Yes, the
>>> researchers get paid for their time, but the product of their
>>> labor (research papers) will be distributed at little or no charge.
>>>
>>> That's non-profit for you.
>>>
>>> The basic notion behind non-profit is to provide product/serives that
>>> cannot be efficiently provided by the market. Hence little or no price.
>>> If the actual cost could be charged, then it would be an efficient
>>> market and wouldn't provided by a non-profit.
>>>
>>> The real red-herring here is the claim that Ashim is being blamed for
>>> his "tainted" activity.
>>>
>>> The real problem is that Ashim was not unfront about the exact nature
>>> of his question. He likely received more help than otherwise.
>>> Because he was not forthcoming about his "real" question, he led people
>>> on a wild goose chase. He kept rejecting suggestions and wasting people's
>>> time. He continued rephrasing his questions until the truth comes out
>>> to a group of annoyed people.
>>>
>>> Had he been upfront from the beginning, he would likely reached the
>>> final answer much quicker. It doesn't help that he questioned other
>>> people's motives. It's how he went about it, rather than his for-profit
>>> questions, that might be raising the collective hackles.
>>>
>>> I rarely help other people, but if I do, I am more likely to help someone's
>>> dissertation than someone trying to squeeze money from the stock market.
>>> You have to pay me to do that. But that is to be expected and should not
>>> surprise anyone.
>>>
>>> Roy
>>>
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