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Steven Samuels <sjhsamuels@earthlink.net> |

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Re: st: cluster and F test |

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Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:57:25 -0400 |

Angel, the primary determinant of precision is the number of clusters, and degrees of freedom are based on these.

To compute the sample size needed in a cluster sample, you need to estimate the number of clusters needed *and* the number of observations per cluster. Consider an extreme case: everybody in a cluster has the same value of an outcome "Y", but the means differ between clusters. Here one observation will completely represent the cluster and only the number of clusters matters. At the other extreme, if each cluster is a miniature of the original population and cluster are very similar, then relatively few clusters are needed and more observations can be taken per cluster.

In practice, the actual choice of clusters/observations per cluster is made on the basis of the budget, on the relative costs of adding a cluster and of adding an additional observation within a cluster, and the ratios the SD's for the main outcomes between and within clusters. As there are usually several outcomes, a compromise sample size is chosen. See: Sharon Lohr, Sampling: Design and Analysis, Duxbury, 1999, Chapter 5; WG Cochran, Sampling Techniques, Wiley, 1977; L Kish, Survey Sampling, Wiley, 1965. There are many internet references.

Key concepts: the intra-class correlation, which measures how similar observations in the same clusters are compared to observations in different clusters; the "design effect", which shows how the standard error of a complex cluster sample is inflated compared to a simple random sample of the same number of observations. Joanne Garret's program -sampclus-, (findit sampclus), requires the investigator to input the correlation. It is most easily calculated by a variance components analysis of similar data.

A *theoretical* nested model can make some concepts clearer (Lohr). Suppose there are observations Y_ij = c + a_i + e_ij. There are m random effects a_i from a distribution with between-cluster SD s_b and, for each a_i, there are n e_ij's drawn from a distribution with "within-cluster" SD s_w. The a's and e's are independent. The total sample size is nm, and the variance of the sample mean is:

var = [(s_b)^2]/m + [(s_w)^2]/nm. You can see that, holding m fixed, increasing the number of observations per cluster decreases only the 2nd term.

The actual formulas for sampling from finite populations are more complicated, but the same principles apply.

-Steve

On Jul 8, 2008, at 5:07 AM, Ángel Rodríguez Laso wrote:

Following the discussion, I don´t understand very well how degrees of freedom (number of clusters-number of strata) and the actual number of observations are used in svy commands (which are related to cluster regression). I say so because when I calculate the sample size needed in a survey to get a proportion with a determined confidence level, the number I get is the number of observations and not the number of degrees of freedom. So I assume that the number of observations is what conditions the standard error and then I don´t know what degrees of freedom are used for. Cheers, Ángel Rodríguez

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