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"Joseph Coveney" <jcoveney@bigplanet.com> |

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"Statalist" <statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu> |

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Re: st: repeated measures or nesting? |

Date |
Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:06:06 +0900 |

Chris Witte wrote: I am using Stata 9.2 SE After reading about anova in the Stata manual I am confused about the difference between repeated measures and nesting. Regarding repeated measures, the manual states "...the subjects (or whatever the experimental units are called) are observed for each level of one or more of the other categorical variables in the model." One of the nesting examples (#9, page 48, in Release 9 [R]) in the manual has multiple measurements taken on each person operating a certain machine, and then you test the significance of person using the residual error. Why aren't the measurements taken from each person repeated in the nesting example? I'm trying to decide whether my data should be analyzed as a nested or repeated measures design, as I have multiple measurements taken on my experimental units over time. I thought it would be a repeated measure, but my situation is much like the nested example, so I'm not so sure. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't have the Release 9 manuals in front of me, but I believe that you're referring to the entry for -anova-. The Release 10 online help file for -anova- gives the following example for nested ANOVA: webuse machine anova output machine / operator|machine / The -anova- statement is for a mixed-model ANOVA, with machines as fixed effects and operators as random. In the sense that the random effects variance parameter is estimated from them, the repeated measurements *are* represented in the model. The -repeated()- isn't used in this example, though. The -repeated()- option invokes adjusting degrees of freedom for the F test statistic in order to help compensate for the effect that the violation of the assumption of sphericity has upon the test statistic's distribution. Because the example dataset doesn't give any spatial or temporal order to the replications, you can only assume a variance components (compound symmetry) structure, and so the -repeated()- statement is not applicable. In order to see how the -repeated()- statement would fit into this case, just add some arbitrary ordering to the replicate measurements; we'll pretend that there is temporal ordering in the sequence in which the replicates are present in the example dataset: generate long row = _n bysort operator machine (row): generate long time = _n anova output machine / operator|machine time machine*time, repeated(time) You state that, in your data, you have repeated measurements *over time*, so you would use the -repeated()- option if you have more than two measurements each, doubt that the sphericity assumption is tenable, and want to adjust degrees of freedom for test statistics for the time factor and its interactions. Joseph Coveney * * For searches and help try: * http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/findit.html * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/

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