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Re: st: RE: Incomplete references are not acceptable

From   Marcello Pagano <>
Subject   Re: st: RE: Incomplete references are not acceptable
Date   Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:17:27 -0400

OK, we have heard from both sides now.  Enough.


Steichen, Thomas J. wrote:
Despite the fact that I agree that providing full references are in the best interests of a Statalist poster, I strongly
disagree that such posters should be publicly denigrated on
the list for failing to provide such. This issue has gone from appropriate gentle reminders to what I see as inappropriate flamings.
Realistically, I think more harm will come to Statlist from a
a continuation of flaming than if the whole issue was ignored.
Why not let those who do not help themselves (by providing
full references) simply be ignored? If the list has become a "what's in it for me?" exercize for responders, they should simply stop responding.

My impression is that the recently-flamed posters are also recent additions to the list... Isn't it clear that flaming is simply not the way we should be welcoming new participants?

I invite Statalist members to use their personal judgment concerning whether to refuse to answer postings with incomplete references and to consider leaving the list if they believe their personal gain (a potentially useful reference) justifies flaming.


Thomas J. Steichen
-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf Of n j cox
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: st: Incomplete references are not acceptable

Despite many requests and a detailed exhortation in the
FAQ, postings with incomplete references (name(s) and date only or
even names alone) persist. It should be self-evident that incomplete references are obscure to very many; only complete references are helpful. Also, the implication that you care only about people in your own sub-discipline who may know the answer is insensitive, if not mildly offensive.

I invite Statalist members to refuse to answer postings with
incomplete references and to complain personally to
people who insist on ignoring good practice.

People who want to participate in an alternative list based
on different principles should feel free to set it up and
run it their way. Otherwise, expect the disapproval of those who have
worked hard to set high standards on this list and to
maintain them. Statalist is free and there is no charge
for the quick, correct and helpful answers likely if you ask
clear questions, but there is not a free ride for people who
won't even think carefully about their postings.


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Mahabir Priydarshini wrote

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