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"Herve STOLOWY" <stolowy@hec.fr> |

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<statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu> |

Subject |
Rép. : RE: RE: st: Gologit, ologit and Akaike's Information Criterion |

Date |
Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:16:50 +0200 |

Dear Marten and Nick: Thank you for your very detailed and instructive replies. I have no problem with it. Best regards Hervé *********************************************************** HEC Paris Département Comptabilité-Contrôle de gestion / Dept of Accounting and Management Control 1, rue de la Liberation 78351 - Jouy-en-Josas France Tel: +33 1 39 67 94 42 Fax: +33 1 39 67 70 86 stolowy@hec.fr http://campus.hec.fr/profs/stolowy/perso/home.htm >>> M.Buis@fsw.vu.nl 09/21 3:32 pm >>> Dear Hervé, Prob>LR in -fitstat- is the result of a likelihood ratio test comparing your model with a model with only the intercept, i.e. it is a test whether the parameters of ALL explanatory variables are SIMULTANEOUSLY zero. This is comparable to the F statistic reported for a `normal' (OLS) regression. A significant result only means that the parameter of at least one explanatory variable is different from zero. So I would not use it as a goodness-of-fit statistic. More generally, I am sceptical about using a single measure of goodness-of-fit (including R^2 and the various pseudo R^2's), and I am not alone in that respect. To quote from the Long and Freese book I recommended earlier (p.88): ``[T]here is no convincing evidence that selecting a model that maximizes the value of a given measure results in a model that is optimal in any sense other than the model having a larger (or, in some instances, smaller) value of that measure.'' Apparently, the authors think this is a very important point since this sentence is printed in italics. More specifically, Agresti (2002, p. 177) warns that the Hosmer-Lemeshow statistic you mentioned does not have good power for detecting particular types of lack of fit, i.e. you accept models as having a good fit (or more precisely you do not reject the hypothesis that the fit is bad), which should not be accepted. When assessing model fit, I would do three things: 1) See if your model makes theoretical sense. 2) Test assumptions of your model. For instance, ordered logit assumes proportional odds, which can be tested with the -omodel- command (findit omodel). 3) Estimate more general models, and test restrictions, like gologit instead of ologit (this also is a test for the proportional odds assumption) or a model with more explanatory variables. This may not be the answer you were looking for, but I hope it still helps, Maarten Agresti, Alan, (2002) Categorical Data Analysis, 2nd edition, Wiley (More comprehensive than the Long and Freese book, but also more terse) * * For searches and help try: * http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/findit.html * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ * * For searches and help try: * http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/findit.html * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/

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