Subject: SV: st: matched employer-employee panel data, IV-estimation, first stage: employer level, second stage: employee level
Date sent: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:09:22 +0200
From: "Jens Therkelsen" <JET@asb.dk>
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> Thanks for your response. Maybe I should have made it clear, that
> each firm does not have the same number of employees. Actually, not at
> all. The largest firms will be represented by more observations in the
> first stage regression if it is performed on 300000 obs (individual
> level). When the largest firms "dominate" the first stage regression,
> they will also dominate the coefficients and therefore also the
> predictions. I don't think it is smart to let the largest firms
> dominate, but I'm not sure about this.
> What do you think?
This is an interesting question. One way to think about it is to ask
whether you are concerned about letting the largest firms "dominate"
the second stage, i.e., the structural equation. It sounds like the
answer is no, i.e., the coeffs will be determined mostly by lots of
workers from a small number of large firms and this isn't a problem.
If so, then maybe you shouldn't be concerned about the predicted
values from the first stage either? Or if not, then maybe you should
be concerned in general? There might be reasons to be concerned, but
I guess you need to be explicit about why, and about why they matter
for the profit-per-employee equation in one way and for the wage
equation in another way.
Sorry for the wishy-washy answer, but maybe it will help anyway. Or
provoke one of the Statalist survey-data experts into a more informed
response than mine.
> Fra: email@example.com på vegne af Mark Schaffer
> Sendt: ma 13-09-2004 12:59 Til: firstname.lastname@example.org Emne:
> Re: st: matched employer-employee panel data, IV-estimation, first
> stage: employer level, second stage: employee level
> Subject: st: matched employer-employee panel data,
> IV-estimation, first stage: employer level, second stage: employee
> level Date sent: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:57:08 +0200 From:
> "Jens Therkelsen" <JET@asb.dk> To:
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> > I have a matched panel with 500 firms (j) and 300000 employees (i) .
> > I want to do a regression like this
> > on the left:
> > wage(it)
> > on the right:
> > individual variables such as age(it), education(it) and gender(i),
> > firm variables such as profits_per_employee(jt), firmsize(jt) and
> > fixed_assets_per_employee(jt) and industri-dummies(jt).
> > But profits_per_employee is endogenous is the model as wages are
> > costs. And firm variables (j) are clustered.
> > If I use "ivreg" or "xtivreg" the first stage regression seems to be
> > performed on 300000 observations and that must be wrong.(?)
> I don't think this is "wrong", at least not in the sense you suggest.
> There are at least two ways to make this point. One is to think of IV
> as a one-step estimator and the requirements to make it consistent.
> The issue you've raised isn't one that violates these requirements.
> Another way way to think about it is to ask what would be wrong with
> your first stage regression. I think the answer is that the standard
> errors would be too small; but you don't need the first-stage SEs when
> you do the second-stage of IV.
> You do have a problem, though, with the clustering by firm. This will
> affect your first stage regression diagnostics (unless you adjust for
> clustering by firm or something like that) as well as your main
> Hope this helps.
> > An other option is to do the two steps seperately
> > profits_per_employee = instruments........ on 500 oberservation and
> > save predictions
> > wage = age education gender predicted_profits_per_employee
> > firmsize...,cluster(firm) on 300000 observations
> > But am I getting it right this way?
> > Any suggestions?
> > Thanks for you time!
> > Jens
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