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Re: st: adjust after poisson |

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Sat, 09 Nov 2002 11:31:35 -0500 |

Thank-you very much Ken for the enlightening response and for explaining the behavior of adjust. However, I still believe in my case, adjust with the nooffset option still produces the correctly adjusted rates, butr, as yuor example shows, not the counts. This is because the model I am estimating is: log(count)=alpha +beta*X+log(ptime) if I want to predict a rate then I don't need the offset: log(count)-log(ptime)=alpha+beta*x or log(count/ptime)=alpha+beta*x so exp(alpha+beta*x) should be the correct predicted rate. this can also be illustrated with another nonsense example from auto data. If predict adjusted rates with the nooffset option and then , I get the same results as if I generate the counts and then divide by the exposure, trunk, holding the by variable constant at the mean. . poisson price mpg gear_ratio, exposure(trunk) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ price | Coef. Std. Err. z P>|z| [95% Conf. Interval] -------------+---------------------------------------------------------------- mpg | -.0157005 .0003584 -43.81 0.000 -.0164029 -.0149981 gear_ratio | .1412555 .0042963 32.88 0.000 .1328349 .1496761 _cons | 6.005301 .00988 07.82 .000 5.985937 6.024666 trunk | (exposure) ------------------------------------------------- /*adjust with nooffset*/ . adjust mpg, by(gear_ratio) gen(x1) exp nooffset ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dependent variable: price Equation: price Command: poisson Created variable: x1 Covariate set to mean: mpg = 21.297297 ------------------------------------------------- /*predict log counts holding mpg constant at mean*/ . gen x4=6.005301+gear_ratio*.1412555+21.297297*-0.0157005+log(trunk) /*generate counts*/ . gen x5=exp(x4) /*generate rates*/ . gen x6=x5/trunk . list x1 x6 x1 x6 1. 481.3611 481.3608 2. 415.0086 415.0085 3. 448.5364 448.5365 4. 439.1327 439.1327 x1 and x6 are equal. (Previous thread) Timothy J. Wade <tjwade@c...> asks: > I'm trying to obtain adjusted rates by month after the following poisson > regression: > > xi: poisson count i.monthnum cycle, exposure(pyear) > > when I type: . adjust cycle, by(monthnum) exp > > I get the following error: > offset (ln(pyear)) not constant within by() > > however, when I use type the same adjust command with the "nooffset" > option. I get returned results that look approximately correct (see below). > > My questions are: are the rates given after adjust with the nooffset option > the correct adjusted rates? Also, why do I need to specify the nooffset > option in adjust? > Thanks very much in advance! > > (stata 7.0/Windows) > > . adjust cycle, by(month) exp nooffset > ---------------------- > monthnum | exp(xb) > ----------+----------- > 1 | 2.38068 > 2 | 2.67684 > 3 | 2.18642 > 4 | 2.20107 > 5 | 2.09517 > 6 | 1.70584 > 7 | 2.01013 > 8 | 1.86005 > 9 | 1.64766 > 10 | 1.68153 > 11 | 2.37351 > 12 | 2.15014 > ---------------------- > Key: exp(xb) = exp(xb) See the entry for 14oct2002 in -help whatsnew-. The -adjust- command used to arbitrarily take one of the offsets within each group defined by the by() option and use it in the prediction. This is arbitrary, and hence no longer allowed. Instead, it checks that offsets (or exposures) were not specified, and if they were it checks to see if they are constant within the by() groups. The answers with and without the -nooffset- option will be different. The -adjust- command is really just a convienent front-end for -predict-. You can get a feel for what predict does with the -nooffset- option by running -predict- on your data with and without it and observing the difference in the predictions. I ran a nonsense example using the auto data. I do not show the output for the sake of brevity. use auto xi : poisson mpg weight i.rep , offset(trunk) adjust weight , by(rep) /* <--- gives error */ adjust weight , by(rep) nooffset predict double z1 predict double z2 , nooffset list z1 z2 z1 and z2 are different, and so would be the results from -adjust-. When I say adjust somevar , by(catvar) Stata preserves your data, sets up a dataset with "somevar" replaced by its mean and does the prediction for each group defined by "catvar". What should -adjust- do with the offset (or exposure) that has different values within each group? The decision was made that -adjust- would complain and put the burden back on the user to figure out how they would like to collapse (see -help collapse-) such data before producing predictions for each group. Ken Higbee khigbee@s... StataCorp 1-800-STATAPC On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 16:06:19 -0000 tj_wade <tjwade@cal.berkeley.edu> wrote: > --- In statalist@y..., khigbee@s... wrote: > Timothy J. Wade asks: > > > I'm trying to obtain adjusted rates by month > after the following > poisson > > regression: > > > > xi: poisson count i.monthnum cycle, > exposure(pyear) > > > > when I type: . adjust cycle, by(monthnum) > exp > > > > I get the following error: > > offset (ln(pyear)) not constant within by() > > > > however, when I use type the same adjust > command with > the "nooffset" > > option. I get returned results that look > approximately correct > (see below). > > > > My questions are: are the rates given after > adjust with the > nooffset option > > the correct adjusted rates? Also, why do I > need to specify the > nooffset > > option in adjust? > > Thanks very much in advance! > > > > (stata 7.0/Windows) > > > > . adjust cycle, by(month) exp nooffset > > ---------------------- > > monthnum | exp(xb) > > ----------+----------- > > 1 | 2.38068 > > 2 | 2.67684 > > 3 | 2.18642 > > 4 | 2.20107 > > 5 | 2.09517 > > 6 | 1.70584 > > 7 | 2.01013 > > 8 | 1.86005 > > 9 | 1.64766 > > 10 | 1.68153 > > 11 | 2.37351 > > 12 | 2.15014 > > ---------------------- > > Key: exp(xb) = exp(xb) > > > See the entry for 14oct2002 in -help whatsnew-. > The -adjust- > command used to arbitrarily take one of the > offsets within each > group defined by the by() option and use it in > the prediction. > This is arbitrary, and hence no longer allowed. > Instead, it > checks that offsets (or exposures) were not > specified, and if > they were it checks to see if they are constant > within the by() > groups. > > The answers with and without the -nooffset- > option will be > different. The -adjust- command is really just > a convienent > front-end for -predict-. You can get a feel > for what predict > does with the -nooffset- option by running > -predict- on your data > with and without it and observing the > difference in the > predictions. > > I ran a nonsense example using the auto data. > I do not show > the output for the sake of brevity. > > use auto > xi : poisson mpg weight i.rep , > offset(trunk) > > adjust weight , by(rep) /* * * For searches and help try: * http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/findit.html * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/

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